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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_baby

    I bet 99% of racist bubbas like Darrin don't know where tar baby originates.
    According to your link, it's to trap dwarves.

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    There is a post someplace where I linked the movie via YouTube.

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    I bet 99% of racist bubbas like Darrin don't know where tar baby originates.
    Think about that. It kind of defies logic to claim a racist isn't familiar with the origins of a racist pejorative term.

    Perhaps people understand the origins, and of it being a sticky trap not a person, and use it in that context.

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    this thread turning into a circle jerk with the tiest partisan posters on the site reassuring themselves that a woman they really shouldn't be giving a about isn't racist or stupid.

    Of course if a lefty politician did something similar, this would be an outrage.

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    There is a post someplace where I linked the movie via YouTube.
    Takin on Disney? Stones...

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    Boasting about it publicly? Stones for brains...

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    this thread turning into a circle jerk with the tiest partisan posters on the site reassuring themselves that a woman they really shouldn't be giving a about isn't racist or stupid.

    Of course if a lefty politician did something similar, this would be an outrage.
    You're here, and the circle is complete.

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    Why is it racially charged?
    The term is racially charged because, despite its origin or the speaker's intent, "tar baby" was quite commonly used as a racial epithet. And because its most popular/well known context, the Uncle Remus stories, are themselves an example of the incredibly problematic depiction of black people in post-Reconstruction South.

    Yes, it can be used in a racist context but, , you know it when it's in that context.

    How many words are going to be off the table because of racial sensitivities?
    It's not a matter of certain words or phrases being off limits due to an overly PC concern about racial sensitivities.

    Whether or not you, or anyone else, wants to personally acknowledge it, there are a lot of words and phrases whose use is linked to our pretty ed up racial history. Its an association that doesn't go away. A political figure who casually uses those phrases in doing so admits to being either too ignorant to understand their history, or too insensitive to give a about it.

    Either of those things deserve to be called out. Neither of those things, on their own, should be used as evidence that the speaker is necessarily racist or evil.

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    Well, as long as a group of people are too sensitive to live in society, there will never be a true sense of equality. For others to have to bend to their demands is ridiculous. I say get over it. Stop this petty squabbling, turning the meaning of things people say upside-down.

    How are good people suppose to respect those who constantly call them racists? I am personally sick and tired of this. I have lost my patience with these race baiters. I say you all who want to be offended instead of getting along.

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    Great point WC, but she is a politician. You can't really say that kind of thing if you are trying to maintain peoples' votes. She knows she messed up.

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    A political figure who casually uses those phrases in doing so admits to being either too ignorant to understand their history, or too insensitive to give a about it.
    Or, they're ignorant of the sensitivities of others over a word or phrase that's not necessarily a racist term.

    As an example; growing up through the 60's and 70' and up to the present, I've witnessed African-Americans (the current self-identification of race) change what they want to be called from Negro [The United Negro College Fund still exists today but I can't call an African-American a Negro] to Colored [The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People but I can't call an African-American a Colored Person] to Black and, now, interchangeable used with African-American. Some African-Americans don't like the term and call themselves Black; some Blacks insist on being called African-American.

    Non-Blacks, if they get it wrong, are subjected to ridicule or worse.

    It gets pretty ing old not getting the memos and being expected to know what's politically correct with a certain race. That's all I'm saying...

    And, it doesn't help when popular culture embraces a music style -- enjoyed by all races -- in which African-American or Blacks (your preference) refer to themselves and each other as .

    I'd say it's the African-Americans turn to quit being so ing sensitive and start accepting they've made certain areas of their culture into tar babies from which the rest of us cannot hope to free ourselves.

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    Or, they're ignorant of the sensitivities of others over a word or phrase that's not necessarily a racist term.

    As an example; growing up through the 60's and 70' and up to the present, I've witnessed African-Americans (the current self-identification of race) change what they want to be called from Negro [The United Negro College Fund still exists today but I can't call an African-American a Negro] to Colored [The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People but I can't call an African-American a Colored Person] to Black and, now, interchangeable used with African-American. Some African-Americans don't like the term and call themselves Black; some Blacks insist on being called African-American.

    Non-Blacks, if they get it wrong, are subjected to ridicule or worse.

    It gets pretty ing old not getting the memos and being expected to know what's politically correct with a certain race. That's all I'm saying...

    And, it doesn't help when popular culture embraces a music style -- enjoyed by all races -- in which African-American or Blacks (your preference) refer to themselves and each other as .

    I'd say it's the African-Americans turn to quit being so ing sensitive and start accepting they've made certain areas of their culture into tar babies from which the rest of us cannot hope to free ourselves.
    Is it possible they do it purposely to have reason to hate us?

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    Well, as long as a group of people are too sensitive to live in society, there will never be a true sense of equality. For others to have to bend to their demands is ridiculous. I say get over it. Stop this petty squabbling, turning the meaning of things people say upside-down.

    How are good people suppose to respect those who constantly call them racists? I am personally sick and tired of this. I have lost my patience with these race baiters. I say you all who want to be offended instead of getting along.
    You're right. The people who have been unfairly accused of racism are far more worthy of our collective sensitivity and deference than the people who for generations have been made inferior through the use of stereotyped language and images.

    Sure, we've called them spooks, and pickaninnies, and tar babies, and slopes, and s, and gooks, and s, and so forth, for, like, ever, but... we said we don't mean it that way anymore. And we were being super serious. Everyone should just get over it.

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    Is it possible they do it purposely to have reason to hate us?
    I think it's possible Affrican-Americans are indifferent to the problems their self-defined sensitivities create.

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    Sure, we've called them spooks, and pickaninnies, and tar babies, and slopes, and s, and gooks, and s, and so forth, for, like, ever, but... we said we don't mean it that way anymore. And we were being super serious. Everyone should just get over it.
    Speak for yourself.

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    You're right. The people who have been unfairly accused of racism are far more worthy of our collective sensitivity and deference than the people who for generations have been made inferior through the use of stereotyped language and images.
    Don't forget welfare.

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    Or, they're ignorant of the sensitivities of others over a word or phrase that's not necessarily a racist term.

    As an example; growing up through the 60's and 70' and up to the present, I've witnessed African-Americans (the current self-identification of race) change what they want to be called from Negro [The United Negro College Fund still exists today but I can't call an African-American a Negro] to Colored [The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People but I can't call an African-American a Colored Person] to Black and, now, interchangeable used with African-American. Some African-Americans don't like the term and call themselves Black; some Blacks insist on being called African-American.

    Non-Blacks, if they get it wrong, are subjected to ridicule or worse.

    It gets pretty ing old not getting the memos and being expected to know what's politically correct with a certain race. That's all I'm saying...

    And, it doesn't help when popular culture embraces a music style -- enjoyed by all races -- in which African-American or Blacks (your preference) refer to themselves and each other as .

    I'd say it's the African-Americans turn to quit being so ing sensitive and start accepting they've made certain areas of their culture into tar babies from which the rest of us cannot hope to free ourselves.
    Has "tar baby" ever been positively embraced by black culture in America?

    Has "tar baby" ever been positively embraced by any culture other than white America circa 1881-1940s?

    Is it possible they do it purposely to have reason to hate us?
    No.

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    I think it's possible Affrican-Americans are indifferent to the problems their self-defined sensitivities create.
    Yes, I do.

    The more and more I think about it, I think those who push such rhetoric about whites being insensitive, I think they are the racists. I think they are the ones who wish to have a reason to hate, without appearing racist, but project the racism on us. I don't believe they are stupid, but know how to play people's emotions.

    It is pretty maddening to be called a racist when I am not. Look at all the reasons people here have fabricated to call me that.

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    Has "tar baby" ever been positively embraced by black culture in America?

    Has "tar baby" ever been positively embraced by any culture other than white America circa 1881-1940s?



    No.
    Not my bad that people get it wrong. Bachmann used it as a reference as something sticky to catch something. that wasn't racist. If you think it was, you are part of the problem.

    Isn't this pipeline coming from a "tar" oil source?

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    You're here, and the circle is complete.
    I identify as a conservative.

    Now I can say anything I please, and you'll always back me up no matter what!

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    Not my bad that people get it wrong. Bachmann used it as a reference as something sticky to catch something. that wasn't racist. If you think it was, you are part of the problem.
    I specifically said Bachmann's use of "tar baby" shouldn't be used to accuse her of holding racist views.

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    she's more anti-gay than racist, imho
    Here hubby is still screwing up gays by "curing them", and taking tax dollars for doing it.

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    I identify as a conservative.

    Now I can say anything I please, and you'll always back me up no matter what!
    You bet your ass, David Brooks.

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    You're right. The people who have been unfairly accused of racism are far more worthy of our collective sensitivity and deference than the people who for generations have been made inferior through the use of stereotyped language and images.
    I know this was sarcastic but, if George Zimmerman has, in fact, been "unfairly accused of racism" then, I would say having a bounty placed on your head by the racist New Black Panther Party, having Al Sharpton call you everything but human and foment unrest in your name, and having the Nation of Islam inciting a race war over something you did, is just a bit more significant than the "collective sensitivities" of black people

    Sorry. It just is.

    You don't see the overkill?

    How about a more minor incident where that Washington bean counter was damn near run out of town on a rail because an African-American in his audience didn't know what the rdly meant.

    A cynic might think the group with the "collective sensitivity" is just looking for trouble.at.every.opportunity.

    Sure, we've called them spooks, and pickaninnies, and tar babies, and slopes, and s, and gooks, and s, and so forth, for, like, ever, but... we said we don't mean it that way anymore. And we were being super serious. Everyone should just get over it.
    Don't forget Mick. My ancestors were called Micks. We got over it.

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    Has "tar baby" ever been positively embraced by black culture in America?

    Has "tar baby" ever been positively embraced by any culture other than white America circa 1881-1940s?
    I have no clue. I'd bet neither does Mic e Bachmann. Maybe you should write an encyclopedia of all the words and phrases non-blacks are prohibited from saying so they won't get their feelings hurt and start a race war.

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