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  1. #26
    Tommy Duncan
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    How did he obtain weapons from France and Russia? Of course he could obtain WMDs. He was skimming hundreds of millions off of the oil sales. Have all of the nukes from the former USSR been located?

  2. #27
    ChumpDumper
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    Of course he could obtain WMDs.
    Then where did the ones he supposedly had go?

    He ALWAYS had money. Let's not pretend he was broke.

  3. #28
    Tommy Duncan
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    That does not mean he would not do so in the future.

  4. #29
    ChumpDumper
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    Wasn't it like 16 months or so? That wouldn't have been enough time to get rid of anything he might have had?
    You mean destroy or ship out? Either one is plausible at this point.[/quote]Weren't their a lot of labs found by the US in Iraq that highly indicated the presence of chemicals used in WMD's?[/quote]I would imagine residues and such would remain from any WMD program. I'm not doubting one ever existed -- just how much was left.

  5. #30
    Tommy Duncan
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    He certainly ended up with some conventional weaponry since the end of the first Gulf War.

  6. #31
    ChumpDumper
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    That does not mean he would not do so in the future.
    Doesn't mean he would either. It just comes down to how many folks you mind killing on a hunch.

  7. #32
    Tommy Duncan
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    Again, more than a "hunch".

  8. #33
    ChumpDumper
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    He certainly ended up with some conventional weaponry since the end of the first Gulf War.
    No doubt. Should we go after everyone with conventional weapons now too? The whole reason for leaving Sadam in power in the first place was to avoid a power vaccuum and all the resulting crap; his getting conventional weapons helped the status quo -- it certainly wasn't enough to wage much war. We found that out.

  9. #34
    SpursWoman
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    Considering he was a proven serial mass-murderer, I'd say that hunch would be pretty damn strong.

    It's too easy. All of that money, a deep hatred for the US, stengthening ties to Islamic terrorists. All of whom have this crazy ing idea that it's okay to wipe out hordes of unarmed civilians for religious and/or political reasons without conscience. With the believe that the US and the western civilization is the embodiment of evil.

    That wouldn't make you nervous? Even a little?

  10. #35
    ChumpDumper
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    Again, more than a "hunch".
    Again, how do you prove it?

    Intelligence?

    The existence of huge stockpiles of WMDs was a hunch, too. A best guess everyone is backing away from.

  11. #36
    ChumpDumper
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    Considering he was a proven serial mass-murderer, I'd say that hunch would pretty damn strong.
    There's plenty of those about. When do we invade Sudan?

    He used to be OUR serial mass-murderer, too.

  12. #37
    Tommy Duncan
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    That shows that he clearly had an intent to rearm. Um no, I don't recall saying that we should invade every other country with conventional arms you are taking that out of context per usual.

  13. #38
    Tommy Duncan
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    You're right. We should only act when we know with 100% certainty, or perhaps not at all. That's been tried before.

  14. #39
    ChumpDumper
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    That shows that he clearly had an intent to rearm.
    So? Who would ever think otherwise? It's a matter of degree.

  15. #40
    Tommy Duncan
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    So you are willing to bet on Hussein's willingness to not attempt to pursue the highest degree as he had prior?

  16. #41
    ChumpDumper
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    You're right. We should only act when we know with 100% certainty, or perhaps not at all. That's been tried before.
    No, you're right. Our foreign policy should be driven by policy-influenced intelligence. Everything is so tidy that way.

  17. #42
    ChumpDumper
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    So you are willing to bet on Hussein's willingness to not attempt to pursue the highest degree as he had prior?
    I'm willing to bet it wasn't a very realistic goal, given the fact the US could bomb pretty much anything it wanted at any time.

  18. #43
    Tommy Duncan
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    Then that would mean we would trust our intel services as well as that of every other nation.

  19. #44
    ChumpDumper
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    hen that would mean we would trust our intel services as well as that of every other nation.
    Pity. They used to be so much better.

  20. #45
    Tommy Duncan
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    Well then. Perhaps we can't err on the side of caution.

  21. #46
    ChumpDumper
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    I'd prefer a move away from outcome-based intel personally. The margin of error would be less.

  22. #47
    Tommy Duncan
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    Well there is always ignoring the intel or perhaps ignoring direct attacks altogether model.

  23. #48
    ChumpDumper
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    That's different, but every administration has done that.

  24. #49
    Tommy Duncan
    Guest
    Oh?

  25. #50
    ChumpDumper
    Guest
    The ignoring intel part.

    Direct attacks? We're talking about the potential of direct attacks here. If you're talking about WTC 1 there is plenty that was done after that, and it's not like there was an enormous shift in AQ policy from Bush before 9/11. But you digress.

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