Chris Palmer would take Kobe over Jordan in crunch time

[LobCity]

Kobe being clutch is actually a myth. It's been created through media propaganda.

If you don't believe me read the Kobe Bryant Myth:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...in-crunch-time

We all have bias because of what we hear, watch, and read but the truth is Kobe's not a clutch player. For that matter, neither is Chauncey Billups. They just got a reputation of being clutch players and it stuck.

We see the game winners and the buzzer beaters over and over again but somehow the game ending misses don't seem to make the highlight reel.

[LkrFan]

More clutch in the '03 and '04 seasons:





Funny enough, Shaq was the '03 Lakers' best clutch time performer, despite his poor FT shooting.

Shaq was often pulled in the last few minutes because he was a FT liability. Ever hear of hack-a-Shaq? Kobe's been our closer since he was 21 years old. Any points Shaq got were spoon fed by Kobe. Not to hard to convert a dunk.

-10 points.

[dunkman]

Who said that?

[100%duncan]

Seriously though, 4th quarter:Jordan Last 2 minutes: Jordan Last Shot of the game:Can be pretty close and it's hard to choose.

[Koolaid_Man]

Shaq was often pulled in the last few minutes because he was a FT liability. Ever hear of hack-a-Shaq? Kobe's been our closer since he was 21 years old. Any points Shaq got were spoon fed by Kobe. Not to hard to convert a dunk.

-10 points.

these SPur fan boys led by midget are going crazy....fact is no one outside of SA appreciates Duncan... they may say it but they don't...he's 33 & 22 all time in points and rebounds....

and even with 33 & 22 when you boil that all down in a stock pot with potato's and and crawfish you get:

Kobe 5

TOSB 4

[Venti Quattro]

Lob City is also a myth. The Lakers have more alley-oops than the Clips. So now you're nothing but a collection of floppers who dunk, flop and stare everyone down.

[midnightpulp]

Shaq was often pulled in the last few minutes because he was a FT liability. Ever hear of hack-a-Shaq? Kobe's been our closer since he was 21 years old. Any points Shaq got were spoon fed by Kobe. Not to hard to convert a dunk.

-10 points.

Yeah, he got pulled so much down the stretch that's why he averaged significantly more points in crunch time than Kobe during the 3 peat era.

Read this again:

"Yet for us ultimately the choice remains the same as it has been for some time: Shaquille O'Neal. Free throw shooting aside, no one comes close to scaring defenses like Shaq, and there are key areas where he rates head and shoulders above Nowitzki -- when the shot clock is running down, Nowitzki was only a 43.3% effective shooter compared to Shaq's 54.5%, more of Shaq's baskets are unassisted, meaning he creates his own points more often, and finally when you need the unstoppable shot, the power slam, there's no one even close (19% of O'Neal's clutch shots are dunks, half of them unassisted)."

"B-B-But he was spoonfed by Kobe!" Quit rewriting history for the purpose of bolstering Kobe's legacy.

No coach in his right mind would pull Shaq in "the last few minutes" of a game, much less an important playoff game.

Check out this link:

http://www.82games.com/comm36.htm

In the '04 playoffs (through round 2), Shaq played more minutes in crunch time than Bryant.

"They often pulled him in crunch time!"



(PS: Kobe 3-16 in the clutch in '04 through the first two rounds. Duncan, 7-8 )

[midnightpulp]

Kobe being clutch is actually a myth. It's been created through media propaganda.

If you don't believe me read the Kobe Bryant Myth:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...in-crunch-time

We all have bias because of what we hear, watch, and read but the truth is Kobe's not a clutch player. For that matter, neither is Chauncey Billups. They just got a reputation of being clutch players and it stuck.

We see the game winners and the buzzer beaters over and over again but somehow the game ending misses don't seem to make the highlight reel.

One of the best articles on exposing Kobe's overblown clutch status.

InB4 "You're just a Kobe hater and mad he has one more ring than Duncan!"

Trolling aside, I appreciate Kobe's game and rank him 10 on my personal all-time great list, but there's just too many facts that argue against him being the "greatest closer in the game." He's good late in the 4th, no doubt, but the reality doesn't match the perception in this case.

[cheguevara]

chris palmer sounds like a made up name tbh

[VBM]

Lob City is also a myth. The Lakers have more alley-oops than the Clips. So now you're nothing but a collection of floppers who dunk, flop and stare everyone down.

[Koolaid_Man]

One of the best articles on exposing Kobe's overblown clutch status.

InB4 "You're just a Kobe hater and mad he has one more ring than Duncan!"

Trolling aside, I appreciate Kobe's game and rank him 10 on my personal all-time great list, but there's just too many facts that argue against him being the "greatest closer in the game." He's good late in the 4th, no doubt, but the reality doesn't match the perception in this case.

You know the deal....boil that down for me...so I can sell it..

No. You don't want to? Ok step aside and let Kool cook up this ...

Kobe 5
Duncan 4

[mercos]

Can't say I would take Kobe over Jordan in a clutch situation, but I don't think its heresy to do so. I haven't read all the stats posted in this thread, but to me what makes Kobe so dangerous in a late game situation is his ability to hit shots under ridiculous coverage. I can't count how many times I have seen him hit dagger threes against double coverage when the opposing team is doing everything it can to get the ball out of his hands. One of his best abilities is being able to get a quality look no matter what the defense is doing. He doesn't always make it, but he can get the look.

[jacobdrj]

I'd probably take Jordan.
But (of players that I have seen play) I'd take Reggie over either...
And Horry before anyone...

And Timmay ain't no slouch in the crunch...