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So if the Spurs win game 7 do we still fire Pop?
I was just thinking the same thing......along with AHF....they have been Pop bashers since before Al Gore invented the internet.
I have constantly been reading how ANY COACH we could get would be better than Pop.....plus didn't T-Park lose confidence during the Seattlte series?.....In fact I recall the 2 (T park,AHF) saying we would not go anywhere in the playoffs....this during the stretch run of the regular season.
Under Pop:
We are consistenly le contenders every year.
Are "D" is among the best in the NBA and makes us le contenders.
He develops young players to contribute in the long run.
If we lose game 7...I don't think we will....I am still a true fan....those of you who want to piss and moan can become fans of teams like the Clippers, Bobcats, Hornets, etc.....then you can always complain about the poor lottery picks and complain about hardly ever making the playoffs and not winning if you do happen to make it.
You Fire Pop and he would be a top candidate for any head coach position in the NBA including the Lakers and Pistons.....you people dont' know how to appreciate a good thing when you have it.....you are not true Spurs fans
So if the Spurs win game 7 do we still fire Pop?
Sure! Maybe we can replace him with Bob Weiss.
A good point from ESPN today:
Tim Duncan only had one more shot than Rasheed Wallace even though he played 41 minutes to Wallace's 23. Duncan is supposed to be the best player in the league, and for him to have only 14 shot attempts is ludicrous. You can't expect to win when your best player is not getting the ball.
It wasn't as though he was being faced with tremendous defensive pressure, because the guy who does the best job on him, Rasheed Wallace, was out for most of the game with foul trouble. In that situation Duncan is supposed to be fed the ball. He should have had 25-30 shots, not 14.
– Greg Anthony, from the SBC Center in San Antonio
That stat is misleading...Duncan only got that many shots because he pulled down 5 offensive rebounds...he probably only got about 10-11 shots out of the offense.
I'd understand it and even applaud it if Duncan was being doubled...but he wasn't doubled that much...the Pistons were playing the three and were soft in the middle all night(until the final minutes of the game). Duncan shot about 60% from the field too...The Guards need to realize that Duncan is an option off their penetration.
I predict Duncan gets 30 shots, we lose, and the next Fire Pop thread bemoans the overuse of the 4-down offense.
Nospurmdamus has spoken.
Who says the only way Duncan can score is off of posting up? Duncan can score anyway you want too...he can score off picnrolls. He's Tim Duncan...he can do it anyway it can be done(except at the FT line, sometimes).
And if the paint isn't clogged then posting Duncan up is a great option..it's just when we go to it 5- 6 times in a row, when it's obvious the d is set to jump him, that it's a liability.
Doesn't matter. If Duncan gets a lot of shots and we lose, 4-down was the culprit. Even if "4-Down" proper was never utilized.
Interesting question and answer to Pop concerning why Duncan did get more shots.In that situation Duncan is supposed to be fed the ball. He should have had 25-30 shots, not 14.
Q. Tim talked about last night how you guys all year have not force fed the ball into him, but I'm wondering in Game 7, do you need him to step up and be a bigger factor, get more shots or do something different or extra?
COACH POPOVICH: There were a lot of opportunities there were more opportunities to get him the ball in the fourth quarter. He's obviously somebody who accepts that responsibility and can do that.
I don't know if you know this or not, but the first time he touched the ball in the fourth quarter was with 7:23 left on the clock. After that he had about 10 touches, 10 or 11 10 touches. We were in motion; meaning not specifically calling a play, to go to Tim or to Manu or to Tony, just playing motion basketball. There were many opportunities where he was in position and getting into position where he needed to get the ball and it didn't happen.
So I think our perimeter has to be a lot wiser in situations when we get a rebound and we go up the floor without a called play to know where Timmy Duncan is on the court and to remember that that's how we played all year long.
It's dangerous to do it against Detroit...but looking at the way they were defending last night...even Brent Barry was driving..Manu and Parker were living in the paint...There is nothing wrong with posting Duncan up or looking for him off of penetration.
I rip the play when we do it 7 times in a row, half of which are TO's or forced shots...
It's a great option...but only when it's not the only option. This isn't 1999 anymore...
It amazes me how many people think Pop is the one who led the Spurs to 2 championships amaze me. They must be the ones who think Phil Jackson led the Bulls to 6 championships!
People, get this straight. Michael Jordan is the one who led the Bulls to those championships, not Phil Jackson. You don't think so? Then how well did they Bulls do in those 2 seasons that Jordan took off? How many championships did Jackson lead the Bulls to when there was no MJ? Zero.
And Tim Duncan is the one who led the Spurs to those 2 Championships, not Poppavitch.
By the way...firing Pop is a stupid idea...he's like Democracy...he's the worst coach in the NBA...except for every other coach.
Thanks for pointing that out. When my brother said, "Well Tim took like 14 shots, that ain't so terrible", I pointed out the same thing. For much of the game, the only way he could get to touch the ball on offense was to pull down an offensive rebound. That is inexcusably bad coaching. I'm sorry. It just is.
You don't understand that the Spurs were running motion (not set plays) and a lot of the blame is on Manu and Tony who didn't get the ball into Tim. It's not like Pop was calling plays that didn't include Tim. It was bad decision making on the part of the guards for the most part.For much of the game, the only way he could get to touch the ball on offense was to pull down an offensive rebound. That is inexcusably bad coaching. I'm sorry. It just is.
I fear that because of this, now in Game 7, we will start force feeding the ball to Duncan just to get him "more touches."
This only proves my point. Bad coaching. Instead of "running motion" (which really seems to mean running around like frantic chickens), Pop SHOULD have been calling plays that included Duncan.
The stats don't lie. Even with Ben Wallace and Rasheed Wallace hanging all over him, Tim Duncan shot just about 60% from the field. That's more than any other Spur.
So tell me again, why is it smart to not run the offense through your best scorer?
Pesky,
when you have Pop fired, who do you want to replace him!!!????
Don't forget that LA raised the bar on coaching salaries with Jackson's $10M a year deal. That $4M a year Holt pays Pop is peanuts for a guy with two rings.
Houston is paying Jeff "Leg Humper" Van Gundy $5M, and the Celts are dishing out $5M for Doc Rivers. Rick Adelman gets something like $6.5M and Jerry Sloan is paid $5.5M annually.
And those four guys have no hardware. Do you think the notoriously cheap Spurs are going to go get Coach K, Bill Self, or Jim Boeheim for $4M or so? This ain't 1988 and Larry Brown's not sick of coaching in Lawrence, Kansas.
Dance with who brought you, guys.
They ran 4-Down through Tim for parts of the game. Some of those plays Tim converted on, some were broken and he dished off. Other times they didn't run set plays. They mix it up between set plays and running motion. You can't just run 4-Down over and over all night. Your offense will be too predictable and easily defended.
I know you are dying to blame Pop and find some justification for firing him. But you can find something better than this to pin on him. This is just not a strong argument.
no.. Keep pop.. worry about players that can perform well every night..
Pop is not broken.. other than he needs to put a foot up some players ass like 2003.
IN 2003 finals pop had game face on .. he only relaxed at the river parade
Here comes a fresh blast of sarcasm:
Yeah, fire him. Pop took a team to game 7 of the NBA finals that lost its starting power forward to sprains THREE times, and its starting center twice (who never made it back into the rotation by the way).
Pop had a good game plan--force Detroit to score from the perimeter, deny penetration.
This loss is squarely on the players' shoulders--turnovers, missed free throws and wimpy rebounding spelled disaster.
Spurs in 7.
I don't agree with all of Pop's rotations, but Pop is the coach of the team with the HIGHEST WINNING PERCENTAGE OF ALL 4 MAJOR SPORTS LEAGUES OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.
And we're just fans talking on a message board. Pop must be doing SOMETHING right.
Im still wondering who Pesky would like Pop replaced with....
I'll bet pesky thinks the Patriots should fire Bill Belichick.
yes! Terry Porter is available!
Cannot believe people want to fire a guy who led the Spurs over the team with the best record in the NBA, who had home court advantage, the MVP, the Coach of the year, etc., just to get TO the Finals. Two rings (for a franchise which had never even made it to the Finals before), best record in all of professional sports over the last how many years, etc. etc. etc. You know, these are the defending champions that we're playing. They're not going to roll over just because you think they should.
Who would you hire to replace him? PhilJ's already taken (like he would ever consider coming to media-deprived SA), Brown's about to retire, and those are the only two coaches in Pop's league. Don't even begin to think about people like Krzyzewski. (A) SA can't afford him, (B) he'd never come, (C) he'd probably do what most successful college coaches do - crater in the NBA.
If the Spurs would ever find someone who could consistently hit a mid-range jumper, though, we probably wouldn't need to have this sort of discussion. The most dangerous guy in the league at PF and nobody who can hit a stupid 16-foot J consistently to pass it to.
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