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    HH putting himself in a win-win situation

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    actually, I was one of the only non-homers on ST to predict that the Spurs would be contenders, even before the Jackson trade..

    The majority of the Spurs supporters upstairs either didn't believe in the team, or didn't begin posting until the Spurs got hot..yet they're trying to kick me off now..

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    actually, I was one of the only non-homers on ST to predict that the Spurs would be contenders, even before the Jackson trade..

    The majority of the Spurs supporters upstairs either didn't believe in the team, or didn't begin posting until the Spurs got hot..yet they're trying to kick me off now..
    Spurs would never be here without Jax and Diaw, tbh.

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    Spurs would never be here without Jax and Diaw, tbh.
    Yeah. Continuing to give big minutes to Bonner, Blair, and Jefferson would have not resulted in the same regular season success. Even if they were the slightest bit of successful, I don't think they would have overtook OKC for the number one seed. Thus, they'd be playing the Mavs/Lakers instead of the Jazz/Nuggets.

    the thought of having to rely on those role players in that hypothetical playoff situation

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    I don't think the Spurs would be nearly as dominant without the trades, but they were still a contender without them, by virtue of the lack of great teams in the NBA..

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    I don't think the Spurs would be nearly as dominant without the trades, but they were still a contender without them, by virtue of the lack of great teams in the NBA..
    West is tough as . Maybe we would have been a first round fodder if it weren't for the trades. Just being realistic here, Jax and Diaw were the perfect fits and the major reasons that we are here.

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    Yeah. Continuing to give big minutes to Bonner, Blair, and Jefferson would have not resulted in the same regular season success. Even if they were the slightest bit of successful, I don't think they would have overtook OKC for the number one seed. Thus, they'd be playing the Mavs/Lakers instead of the Jazz/Nuggets.

    the thought of having to rely on those role players in that hypothetical playoff situation
    Yeah if that RJ was still here, we would have been sent home in the last round and Spur fan would be begging the front office to blow it up.

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    I don't think the Spurs would be nearly as dominant without the trades, but they were still a contender without them, by virtue of the lack of great teams in the NBA..
    What's your definition of a contender?

    Is it being a top three team in your conference, or is it legitimately being able to contend for a championship?

    IMHO, without the transactions, the Spurs are a notch below Thunder and slightly above the regressing Lakers.

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    Stephen Jackson isn't a notable player..as I said at the time of the trade, I liked moving RJ, but the real prize was that Leonard would receive starter minutes..what if Pop finally decided to make RJ a bench player?..he's still a pussy, but he may have played well in that role..

    Diaw was essential, obviously, Blair is a cancer..

    If the Spurs avoided the Lakers, I believe they'd still be in the WCFs without trading RJ..they would be inferior to OKC, but as we've seen the past few years, even prior to the trade, Spurs own OKC..

    A contender is a team that can win it's conference..

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    sj is going to make james wish he was not in finals

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    Spurs don't get past the Clipshow with RJ, Blair and Bonner getting substantial minutes...

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    Spurs don't get past the Clipshow with RJ, Blair and Bonner getting substantial minutes...
    The Clippers' were banged up and their best player was on one knee..not to mention they're a low IQ team..

    Spurs win in 6..

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    A Heat fan talking about refs, lol...

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    The Clippers' were banged up and their best player was on one knee..not to mention they're a low IQ team..

    Spurs win in 6..
    The problem is Blair makes DeAndre Jordan relevant plus him and RJ are ball stoppers. Clipshow showed against Memphis they can play physical, and physicality against RJ and Bonner means we're toast.

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    Stephen Jackson isn't a notable player..as I said at the time of the trade, I liked moving RJ, but the real prize was that Leonard would receive starter minutes..what if Pop finally decided to make RJ a bench player?..he's still a pussy, but he may have played well in that role..
    Despite being able to hit occasional clutch three pointer or assisting on a shot, Jackson's main contribution to the team is toughness and defensive versatility, imo. Trading was itself an addition by subtraction. Pop's propensity to play him major minutes was a ing cancer. Pop, being the great coach he is, I think, would have eventually done the right thing as you suggested in sitting the pussy's ass down and giving his minutes to the promising rookie.


    Diaw was essential, obviously, Blair is a cancer..
    yeah. I can't remember when I stumbled on a thread, but I recall a stat that factually demonstrated Blair's defensive inep ude. It was more so evident on the court in possessions when he could do nothing but reach and commit fouls. The best thing Blair could do was either find himself under the basket for an assisted layup or score on pick and roll (and even that was torture just seeing him try to score over a taller player)

    If the Spurs avoided the Lakers, I believe they'd still be in the WCFs without trading RJ..they would be inferior to OKC, but as we've seen the past few years, even prior to the trade, Spurs own OKC..
    Spurs without the in-season transactions would have lost to Lakers had they've been matched up in the playoffs. As I posted before, I don't think the Spurs would have overtook OKC for the first seed. This would mean a dangerous matchup with Dallas in the 1st round, and the said matchup with the Lakers.

    A contender is a team that can win it's conference..
    Considering the hypothetical setup, Spurs would have to avoid the Lakers to even have a chance at that. If things held serve and happened as they are right now (WCF matchup with the Thunder), the Spurs would be less equipped to play the way they've been playing. Imagine having Jefferson taking turns on guarding Durant? Or giving Danny Green the responsibility to check Durant?

    I am very high on the effect of signing Diaw as it increased our ball movement and defensive fluidity. I don't care what the stats say, Diaw is a more versatile and effective defender than Bonner or Blair because of his B-Ball IQ. The plight of giving Bonner huge minutes in the playoffs has already been do ented too many times. It doesn't matter what our past record against OKC indicates. Rely on Bonner to produce for you in the playoffs and you die, it's simple as that. Exacerbate that fact with playing a player who would struggle to compete in the D-league and you have a very huge problem.

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    Jax knows his role and hasn't been the malcontent he's been in other teams. He's doing a great job in this series after getting almost no burn against the Clips, and he's shooting 50% from downtown, including key shots like the 3 he nailed to kill OKC in Game 1...

    Plus getting rid of RJ cannot be understated.... Making GSW pay $10 million for a pick and take on RJ on top is just savvy business...

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    'bron had 24 FTA of his own

    damn

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    SOME calls against Rondo are questionable, but he WAS attacking hard tonite, being agressive (which mostly rewarded, just look at those whistle that Wade & Bron got), and he had miscalls too down there, bumped left and right by Heat UNDERSIZED bigs.

    And with those midgets, KG does have legit FTs tonite -always hacked when he got downlow after receiving the lob passes, while Pierce got some, missed some, even out. In the end, for the Celtics it was a decently reffed game on their offensive side. Now, regarding their defensive side .........

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