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    You can get hand grenades from any greedy weapons dealer..but the guns come mostly from the U.S....
    I'm gonna go buy a box for the 4th of July!

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    they were cool. they made fun of themselves the whole day.

    i laughed and asked them how long till a sequel, they said considering what else is being produced, shouldn't be too long.

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    You can get hand grenades from any greedy weapons dealer..but the guns come mostly from the U.S....
    Says blue team anti-gun talking point...*check*

    totally unsubstantiated.

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    Says blue team anti-gun talking point...*check*

    totally unsubstantiated.
    he's right, cowboy.

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    he's right, cowboy.
    You checked all the cartels guns?

    , I'm not saying a lot don't come from here, but nobody knows how many. We DO know that the US Justice Department is responsible for THOUSANDS.

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    The group likewise explained that only 3,480 guns were traced back to the U.S., which equals 12 percent of the total arms seized by the Mexican authorities in 2008 and less than 48 percent of those sent for tracing.
    http://frontpagemag.com/2011/04/19/w...-their-arms/2/

    Those were just the guns actually traced back to the U.S. in one year, there are many guns which have had the serial number removed so they could not be traced back anywhere, but gun-nuts in the US like to play games with semantics..

    ...Compare that to the few hundred guns lost by rogue elements in the ATF...

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    They damn sure aren't getting those full auto weapons, hand grenades, and Russian RPG's from the US.

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    Those were just the guns actually traced back to the U.S. in one year, there are many guns which have had the serial number removed so they could not be traced back anywhere, but gun-nuts in the US like to play games with semantics..

    ...Compare that to the few hundred guns lost by rogue elements in the ATF...


    "few hundred guns"



    "rogue elements in the ATF"


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    They damn sure aren't getting those full auto weapons, hand grenades, and Russian RPG's from the US.
    sure they can.

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    Surveillance video obtained by CBS News shows suspected drug cartel suppliers carrying boxes of weapons to their cars at a Phoenix gun shop. The long boxes shown in the video being loaded in were AK-47-type assault rifles.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18563_162-20039031.html

    No doubt...

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    Exactly how are they buying class III weapons?

    Why would they bother with trying to sneak Class III weapons out of the US when they can buy them by the truckload in Central America? It's not like they don't have connections down there through the coke trade.

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    Exactly how are they buying class III weapons?

    Why would they bother with trying to sneak Class III weapons out of the US when they can buy them by the truckload in Central America? It's not like they don't have connections down there through the coke trade.
    my first trip to the states was texas. I'll honor marcus bryant and tell you i'm from ulster.

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    AK47 TYPE SEMI-AUTO WEAPONS. Not AK-47 FULL AUTO WEAPONS.

    Now, I'm not saying I couldn't convert them with some basic machine tools but they weren't buying full auto's in the US.

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    Straight from the mouth of Mamito and Los Zetas...

    Rejon Aguilar confessed that Los Zetas have “buyers on the other side” (in the U.S.) who are U.S. citizens that acquire the arms and sell them to Los Zetas. He also admitted hearing stories that the U.S. government was selling weapons.

    “What we buy in the United States, there was a time when the buyers, they weren’t our people, they were buyers from the other side, were saying that the American government was selling weapons.”

    El Mamito stated that the Mexican government’s efforts had made it more difficult for Los Zetas to get weapons onto Mexican soil but that the Gulf Cartel had no such difficulty. They are still able to smuggle weapons in the trunks of cars through the border crossings.

    “We are unaware of what’s happening but you can deduce that if it’s almost impossible for us to buy weapons and bring them in our trunks and they (Gulf Cartel) can they can bring them in freely, with no problems, well there has to be an arrangement, one can deduce that they have a pact with the government, I don’t know.“
    http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/0...bought-in.html

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    my first trip to the states was texas. I'll honor marcus bryant and tell you i'm from ulster.
    Yeah, I saw that episode of Sons of Anarchy too.

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    Yeah, I saw that episode of Sons of Anarchy too.
    i'll have to check that out.

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    U.S. gun dealers arming Mexican drug cartels

    Now, the owner, George Iknadosian, will go on trial on charges that he sold scores of weapons, mostly AK-47 rifles, to smugglers who supplied a drug cartel in the western state of Sinaloa, fueling the gang warfare in which more than 6,000 Mexicans died last year.

    The Mexican authorities have long complained that American gun dealers were arming the cartels. This case is the most prominent prosecution of an American gun dealer since the United States promised Mexico two years ago that it would clamp down on the smuggling of weapons across the border.

    It also offers a glimpse of how weapons delivered to American gun dealers are being moved into Mexico and used in horrific crimes.

    "We had a direct pipeline from Iknadosian to the Sinaloa cartel," said Thomas Mangan, a spokesman for the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives here.
    ...

    The gun laws in the United States allow the sale of multiple military-style rifles to American citizens without reporting the sales to the government, and the Mexicans search relatively few cars and trucks coming into the country.

    What is more, the sheer volume of licensed dealers - more than 6,600 along the border alone, many of them operating out of their homes - makes policing them a tall order. The ATF now has about 200 agents assigned to the task.

    Smugglers routinely enlist Americans with clean criminal records to buy two or three rifles at a time, often from different shops, then transport them across the border in cars and trucks, hiding them in door panels or under the hood, law enforcement officials here said. Some of the smuggled weapons are also bought from private individuals at gun shows, and the law requires no notification of the authorities in those cases.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/wo....20459692.html

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    on fx, huh? whats the le of the episode?

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    2009?



    Your information is painfully out of date. ALL arms sales by licensed dealers are yellow slipped and they are audited regularly. They have driven most of the small dealers out of business by the draconian requirements and massive fines for even the slightest paperwork violations. I personally know several guys that dropped their dealers license because it was just too much trouble to hassle with the ATF.

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    i don't know anything about licensed arm dealers.

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    on fx, huh? whats the le of the episode?
    *spoiler*

    Romero, the Galindo cartel guy was really CIA.

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    i don't know anything about licensed arm dealers.
    I do.

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    Your information is painfully out of date. ALL arms sales by licensed dealers are yellow slipped and they are audited regularly. They have driven most of the small dealers out of business by the draconian requirements and massive fines for even the slightest paperwork violations. I personally know several guys that dropped their dealers license because it was just too much trouble to hassle with the ATF.
    You know how its done....US weapons are shipped by arm dealers to crooked law enforcement in Mexico and then resold or 'misappropriate' would be a better word, by Mexican drug cartels

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    You know how its done....US weapons are shipped by arm dealers to crooked law enforcement in Mexico and then resold or 'misappropriate' would be a better word, by Mexican drug cartels
    And you propose to stop this how? By banning the sale of guns in the US?

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    And you propose to stop this how? By banning the sale of guns in the US?
    The US is, by far, the leading arms dealer to the world and many of these guns wind up in the hands of rebel armies and drug and human smuggling operations...this has been going on in 3rd world countries for decades...but this doesn't negate the fact that weapons are also bought in the US by the thousands at gun shows and gun shops and resold to Mexican drug cartels..

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