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  1. #26
    Wrecks and Effects RsxPiimp's Avatar
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    I think Lebron needs to escape the gravity of rings = greatness.
    i agree with you D.

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    I think Lebron needs to (and will) escape the gravity of rings = greatness.
    well, that would make sense if he was ringless but he already has 3 of them which is not a small achievement... gravity of rings is helping perception of greatness imho.

    no harm for his legacy to get a couple more rings playing for a stronger team a bit more off the ball..

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    TheDrewShow is salty lefty's Avatar
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    Lebron deserves to gtgo of Cavs and sign with a powerhouse to win multiple rings. He still has 3/4 good years ahead of him tbh
    I want this to happen

    LeBron with a contender to beat GSW

    those gots

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    I want this to happen

    LeBron with a contender to beat GSW

    those gots

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    Student of Liberty Galileo's Avatar
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    The most dominating basketball player of all time was George Mikan. No one else is even close.

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    its crazy, as well as curry played, and he looked unguardable for stretches, his impact was never as heavy as lebron's. not even in the same atmosphere.

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    The most dominating basketball player of all time was George Mikan. No one else is even close.
    Yeah and Andre the Giant is the best fighter of all time.

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    its crazy, as well as curry played, and he looked unguardable for stretches, his impact was never as heavy as lebron's. not even in the same atmosphere.
    ISWYDT

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    its crazy, as well as curry played, and he looked unguardable for stretches, his impact was never as heavy as lebron's. not even in the same atmosphere.
    sons lebron is the goat while curry is just another hof bound player, can't compare in terms of impact.
    smh lebron carrying a dleague team like this...

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    sons lebron is the goat while curry is just another hof bound player, can't compare in terms of impact.
    smh lebron carrying a dleague team like this...
    yep

    glad they were able to rebound their way past boston tbh

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    Fast forward to 2018, and LeGOAT's maximized his talent and then some. He's 33 years old and still getting better. The gap between him and the next best player is increasing, not shrinking.
    That might be true, but people still raise the bar with LeBron. I mean, in 2016 he leads the Cavaliers back from 3-1 down in the Finals against a 73-win team, but there were still people out there saying, "That's pretty impressive; now he just needs to to this, that and the other thing, and maybe we'll put him in the conversation with MJ." No matter what he does, it'll never be enough for some people.

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    yep

    glad they were able to rebound their way past boston tbh
    boston got a nice young team and a great coach tbh .. it's gonna be interesting going forward.

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    Didnt watch Bird tbh, but Ill take King James. Once his career is over the King will at the very least be the 2nd GOAT.
    I lold at 'possibly Top 5'. Open your eyes s, we have never seen a player with the combination of speed, size, and strength that King James has...and its damn hard for me to imagine that its humanly possible for a more physically gifted player to come along. Add the Kings courtvision/awareness and how coordinated he is to the equation, and the likelihood of another LeBron coming along becomes that much smaller. Not an MJ hater but the King will go down as the GOAT. Kirby and even Timmy D will go down as blips during the LeBron era too tbh.

    How did so much of ST not see it? 5+ years ago, mother ers were still putting Kirby and Bird in the same sentence as LeGOAT. He's a freak of nature, great skill, great courtvision, basketball smart, and he plays the right way. Re s are enamored with having to take shots in the clutch even if they're low percentage but this dude doesn't give a --he always makes the right play. I've always loved that about him. Very Manuesque, tbh.

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    That might be true, but people still raise the bar with LeBron. I mean, in 2016 he leads the Cavaliers back from 3-1 down in the Finals against a 73-win team, but there were still people out there saying, "That's pretty impressive; now he just needs to to this, that and the other thing, and maybe we'll put him in the conversation with MJ." No matter what he does, it'll never be enough for some people.
    Those are just haters who are empowered to spew their bull by the social media era and 24/7 media cycle (something DK never really had to deal with).

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    Lebron isn't looking for people to say he's better than Jordan. He's looking to play the perfect game. Why don't people see that? you don't pass like that, cut like that, defend like that... if you're trying to get fan notice for being better than Jordan who's noted mostly for points.

    In regulation last night, he got as close as anyone you'll ever see in the Finals not named Tony Parker.

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    Lebron isn't looking for people to say he's better than Jordan. He's looking to play the perfect game. Why don't people see that? you don't pass like that, cut like that, defend like that... if you're trying to get fan notice for being better than Jordan who's noted mostly for points.

    In regulation last night, he got as close as anyone you'll ever see in the Finals not named Tony Parker.
    i dont want to be that guy that nitpicks... but if you're going to call him near perfect, then i have to. his defensive effort throughout the game is usually quite poor. he'll ramp it up in closing minutes, but he'll let cutters go, wont hustle for help defense, etc.

    not that he doesn't make up for it

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    Last night was kind of symbolic of LeBron's career. Plays incredibly, is a man among boys on a floor packed with All-Stars and future HOFers, and one of his teammates doesn't even know what the score of the game is.

    It shows again how stupid the RINGZ argument is. There isn't all-time great who has spent more of his career surrounded by incompetent teammates, coaches, front offices and owners than LeBron. He's spent 11 seasons with one of the tiest organizations in sports (I know it was his choice to come back, but still). The one stretch he spent with a decent organization and teammates with a pulse he won two les in four years.

    The le he won in Cleveland in addition to the two he won in Miami is all the validation he ever needs, imo. How many others could've pulled off what he pulled off in 2016?

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    it was his choice to come back
    Decisions make everyone's career. He made stupid choices like staying out in the ty East where his teams were never battle tested enough, never had to be good enough, to compete against whoever came out of the West bloodbath. Besides those front running years he started in Miami. Which was also a stupid decision since a. he left his hometown team to go front run in the middle of his prime, b. he demonstrated he needed all NBA players around him to ring. He had plenty of chances to entertain offers to join other teams in the real conference but didn't. Also, all the personnel choices were his. Down to the days of freaking washed up Shaq and Drew Gooden. Those were all picks he blessed. He is complicit in his own failure and drives good teammates away from him. See Kyrie. Also with IT I guarantee he would have had a better shot this playoffs than with GH3 and Nance/bench warmer Hood.

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    Decisions make everyone's career. He made stupid choices like staying out in the ty East where his teams were never battle tested enough, never had to be good enough, to compete against whoever came out of the West bloodbath. Besides those front running years he started in Miami. Which was also a stupid decision since a. he left his hometown team to go front run in the middle of his prime, b. he demonstrated he needed all NBA players around him to ring. He had plenty of chances to entertain offers to join other teams in the real conference but didn't. Also, all the personnel choices were his. Down to the days of freaking washed up Shaq and Drew Gooden. Those were all picks he blessed. He is complicit in his own failure and drives good teammates away from him. See Kyrie. Also with IT I guarantee he would have had a better shot this playoffs than with GH3 and Nance/bench warmer Hood.
    Lebron wants guys who get him the ball so he can either pass or shoot. He doesn't want guys like IT or Kyrie who need their own s om. Not yet.

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    Lebron wants guys who get him the ball so he can either pass or shoot. He doesn't want guys like IT or Kyrie who need their own s om. Not yet.
    And yet he needed Kyrie to hit that 3 over Curry to win one in Cleveland. And needed Ray Allen to hit that 3 in Miami to win one over SA (he badly bricked his own shot in that same sequence). He doesn't seem to understand he can be part of a multi-star team to succeed. He always needs to be King and for the whole team to be his subjects


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    The most dominating basketball player of all time was George Mikan. No one else is even close.
    I watched a bunch of Mikan videos a few years ago and gained massive respect for him. It's trippy to think about 1950s American culture and how basketball was just becoming popular.

    And I remember learning the "Mikan drill" back in grade school.

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    Last night was kind of symbolic of LeBron's career. Plays incredibly, is a man among boys on a floor packed with All-Stars and future HOFers, and one of his teammates doesn't even know what the score of the game is.

    It shows again how stupid the RINGZ argument is. There isn't all-time great who has spent more of his career surrounded by incompetent teammates, coaches, front offices and owners than LeBron. He's spent 11 seasons with one of the tiest organizations in sports (I know it was his choice to come back, but still). The one stretch he spent with a decent organization and teammates with a pulse he won two les in four years.

    The le he won in Cleveland in addition to the two he won in Miami is all the validation he ever needs, imo. How many others could've pulled off what he pulled off in 2016?
    GM LeBron, Ego Bron and Petty Bron do undermine player Lebron.

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    GM LeBron, Ego Bron and Petty Bron do undermine player Lebron.
    Imagine if Timmy was more vocal in who surrounds him. He wouldn't have had so many "stand pat" years.

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    And yet he needed Kyrie to hit that 3 over Curry to win one in Cleveland. And needed Ray Allen to hit that 3 in Miami to win one over SA (he badly bricked his own shot in that same sequence). He doesn't seem to understand he can be part of a multi-star team to succeed. He always needs to be King and for the whole team to be his subjects

    son you can't be this dumb can you?

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    Imagine if Timmy was more vocal in who surrounds him. He wouldn't have had so many "stand pat" years.
    I am sure every star wanted to go to SA where the coach will yell at them regardless of PR.

    Root CLE if you want all that re ed Bronny drama.

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