agreed, but this conflicts with what you just said a minute ago:
This is why I just don't want to give Deron the max. I have a terrible gut feeling that we'd regret it, sooner rather than later even. You can always go back next offseason and spend money you didn't spend before, but you can't so easily undo an awful crippling contract that will dictate your flexibility for years to come.
Which is why barring the Richard Jefferson fiasco (which was actually a trade) the Spurs have largely avoided the crapshoot of aiming at big name FAs and choosing to develop talent through the draft, then adding pieces via free agency.
It's a model so successful they got beat by a team whose GM worked in the Spurs FO, not to mention that FOs left and right are poaching staff from San Antonio or Oklahoma City.
I agree completely. The Suns' situation was particularly dumb. Sarver was giving long term deals out to Childress, Warrick, and Frye, while he was also telling Suns fans about how the new CBA was gonna have stuff that made giving role players long term deals even more stupid
The best was when Sarver had a presser specifically about how the new CBA was gonna have franchise tags like the NFL which was gonna help the Suns retain free agents in the future. I'm pretty sure Sarver has no idea what a franchise tag is. A franchise tag means you can match the offer any other team gives a player, which he had the opportunity to do with both Joe Johnson and Amare
The draft and also trades. The Spurs being able to build entirely through the draft was a special occasion. Most successful teams build their core through a combo of drafting and trades.
How are we so far in this thread without anyone mentioning 57 points?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOrEWxAuDUQ
one game against the bobcats imo
At this point Cuban has to sign D Will. The fans are already pissed off about letting Chandler and Barea go. If he then whiffs on Deron, there will be a fan mutiny in Dallas. I still understand what Cuban was thinking, but as the Triple D Dynasty looks less and less likely, Cuban is looking more and more re ed.
I think Deron signs here. What is more important this offseason is Donnie drafting a decent player in the 1st round, since that hasn't happened in ing forever.
To be fair, it wasn't his fault Atlanta panicked and made Joe Johnson synonymous with albatross contracts. Amare leaving for the only coached he loved (and picking up an albatross contract in the process) was probably his fault too.I agree completely. The Suns' situation was particularly dumb. Sarver was giving long term deals out to Childress, Warrick, and Frye, while he was also telling Suns fans about how the new CBA was gonna have stuff that made giving role players long term deals even more stupid
The best was when Sarver had a presser specifically about how the new CBA was gonna have franchise tags like the NFL which was gonna help the Suns retain free agents in the future. I'm pretty sure Sarver has no idea what a franchise tag is
Really, it shows how good Nash was that his teammates were all eventually overpaid.
And I doubt the Spurs would have reached the WCF this year if RC didn't ship George Hill (a solid combo guard, but IMO not a piece to put you over the top) for Kawhi Leonard (who is a stud) and the rights to Lorbek (who should be an upgrade over Bonner, unless he decides money is more important)
Not as impressive as a rookie dropping 55 IMO
It's too bad all this didn't happen just a year later. Next years draft class features both CP3 and Bynum as unrestricted free agents.
I guess we differ on where we rank Deron. I said you don't spend money on average players - Deron is a very top talent (even if you don't agree about the impact). That is why I don't blame NY for Amare. They missed on Lebron, but Amare was an impact player and the best you can do. Deron is an impact player and the best they can do this year IMO. He isn't in the same mold of doing what NJ did or PHX.
Not to mention barring a trade, Dwight Howard.
I'd take the injury prone guy who dropped 30 boards over the team cancer who dogged it to get his coach fired, though.
Howard got his coach fired too.Not to mention barring a trade, Dwight Howard.
I'd take the injury prone guy who dropped 30 boards over the team cancer who dogged it to get his coach fired, though.
What I said.
To me, Deron is an impact player like an Amare in that 2nd tier. Also in my eyes, over paying relative to what a player brings to the table is still overpaying, it doesnt matter if you overpay some role players or overplay a glorified #2 option, it still cripples your flexibility and hurts your ability to contend long term.
I just can't think of a reason in my mind that justifies giving Deron the max. We'd surely regret it when he's 31. I don't even think he's a max player now, like DoK said there isn't a pg in the league worth the max. I'd rather just pass and build a team the right way, with solid defense and bigs.
Sure but Dirk is aging and you have limited time. If you get Deron and you have Dirk/Deron, then you spend wisely on FA's, you have a compe ive team right away.
Deron is definitely tier 2, but when you have a tier 1 like Dirk, you have to get that tier 2 guy.
Sadly, I'm afraid they're both tier 2 at this point. Dirk/Deron just doesn't contend for a championship therefore it's pointless.
It's not pointless - you have to give them a shot. With Dirk and Deron, if you add other players (they will still have some cap space and draft picks) you have a shot.
Point is with guys like Charlie V, Childress...you have 0 chance.
Who are those other guys you had in mind? I'm looking at the list and there isn't much in the category of unrestricted. Not seeing any names who propel us into contention with OKC/Miami. I think it would be fun for a while to keep the "dream" alive a bit longer, but realistically we'd be 2nd round fodder like 08-10. Our team is gutted.
Guys don't forget that in all likelihood we lose Jet this year. From what I understand, they have parted ways. I don't work in the FO though could be wrong, but unlikely.
Ya, that was part of the risk of blowing the team up if you don't land Deron/Dwight (which is an extreme long shot now).
They have to draft well with this pick to start. It is not just this year either. They may have to wait a little bit (until next year, fill out this year's roster with some low cost/decent upside players on small short contracts) until they can really piece it together.
But if you pair Dirk/Deron and you have Roddy who develops some, some decent young bigs (seems like you don't need a dominant post game any more to win)
You are looking at Deron/Roddy/Marion/Dirk/.....with some depth bigs Wright/Ian....you are on a decent path.
, if they can talk Deron into it (like they would have had to talk Dwight/Deron if they came) into taking less than max, you can make a run at a guy like JaVale McGee instead of Dwight and still have a pretty athletic solid team (Deron/Roddy/Marion/Dirk/McGee).
Dallas has Azubuike that is on a cheap contract - and if he is healthy, he is a decent player.
Another out of the box idea is going after Deron/KG. KG would be a great compliment to Dirk and he showed he has some gas left in the tank. If Dallas is willing to give him a long contract, that might be enough to get him to Dallas IMO.
Don't count that out my . If Cuban strikes out on D-Will don't expect him to panic and waste all that cap space on average players, he'll do what we saw this year...a bunch of 1 year deals in order to keep the powder dry
KG gonna stay in Boston or retire. Would be a good idea but I can't see him playing anywhere but Boston
I agree - but he might be enticed if a team gives him a 3/4 year deal.
so dallas should do everything needed to block any possible deal between orlando & brooklyn tbh. dallas is definitely his favorite destination, the nets ain't worth a and the only possibility they becoming a legit option here is if they get DH.
is a LOCKED one for dallas if they can prevent them nets from gettin DH tbh
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