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    215? Are you a tall, wide guy, or do something that requires tons of heavy lifting/pulling/pushing? Otherwise, you probably want to lose closer to 45+ pounds before you think about gaining more muscle mass, tbh.
    He said he was 6'1", right? I was pretty scrawny when I weighed 170 at that height. Couldn't see myself getting too far under the 190 I'm at now, but we'll see as I get back to more aerobic exercise.

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    Heck yea…All the raw veggies you can stand…Only the old school gotta get totally ripped guys just eat protein all day…Raw veggies give you tons of fiber… It is a lot of work to prepare everyday though…When I am on a good program I am at the grocery store buying fresh veggies every 3 days & chopping them up every day…Eating healthy takes dedication...
    I can't stand many raw veggies on their own. Especially broccoli. Lately, I've been dipping them in humus. Which incidentally, is a good source of protein.

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    He said he was 6'1", right? I was pretty scrawny when I weighed 170 at that height. Couldn't see myself getting too far under the 190 I'm at now, but we'll see as I get back to more aerobic exercise.
    Exactly. I don't want to get down to 190ish. I'd be happy between 215-225 if I am toned and my body fat has dropped tremendously.

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    I can't stand many raw veggies on their own. Especially broccoli. Lately, I've been dipping them in humus. Which incidentally, is a good source of protein.
    Does sprinkling cu ber slices with lime juice or vinegar do anything to diminish its worth?

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    Exactly. I don't want to get down to 190ish. I'd be happy between 215-225 if I am toned and my body fat has dropped tremendously.
    Oh, I got posts mixed up. If you got to 190ish, you'd look like me and be awesome, but if you have a big frame or something -- you know best.

    215 was my maximum. I was getting pretty doughy.

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    I was at 265 in 2008, lost 30 pounds in 6 months and have slowly been losing weight since - at 220 or so now, but I haven't been weighed since my physical in May. I had lost 10 of those in the previous year since I upped my bike riding to over 75 miles a week. I'm at a steady 115 a week now with about 6.5 hours of ride time a week. I don't think I could ever get under 200 again, larger frame. I was 195 when I graduated high school and was walking 18 holes most days.

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    Does sprinkling cu ber slices with lime juice or vinegar do anything to diminish its worth?
    I seriously doubt it.

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    I can't stand many raw veggies on their own. Especially broccoli. Lately, I've been dipping them in humus. Which incidentally, is a good source of protein.
    Word, I just made my first batch of homemade hummus (no recipe, just kinda winged it) and it came out awesome... Celery and cu ber slices are what I liked to dip in it.

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    Exactly. I don't want to get down to 190ish. I'd be happy between 215-225 if I am toned and my body fat has dropped tremendously.
    Well even at 6'1, 215 pounds, your BMI would list you as excessively overweight bordering obesity. I realize there are limitations to BMI but like I said, unless you do a bunch of physical labor for your job you can afford to lose a some muscle while you slim down. Facts of life and stuff.

    For the most part, you're either losing or you're gaining. If you want good muscle tone, you have to lose most of the excess fat around the muscle. It's quite difficult to both lose weight (low calorie plan) and gain muscle (mid-high calorie plan).

    You can continue doing what you're doing and I'm sure you'll look okay in terms of what you want for yourself. I just think you will feel much healthier and look markedly more toned if you go all-in on losing your excess weight before you pack on muscle.

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    Word, I just made my first batch of homemade hummus (no recipe, just kinda winged it) and it came out awesome... Celery and cu ber slices are what I liked to dip in it.
    Been thinking about giving it a shot myself. Seems expensive to buy it in the store or from a restaurant for what I'm getting. Especially when I can eat the whole thing in one or two sittings.

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    Word, I just made my first batch of homemade hummus (no recipe, just kinda winged it) and it came out awesome... Celery and cu ber slices are what I liked to dip in it.
    Canned or dried garbanzos?

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    I was at 265 in 2008, lost 30 pounds in 6 months and have slowly been losing weight since - at 220 or so now, but I haven't been weighed since my physical in May. I had lost 10 of those in the previous year since I upped my bike riding to over 75 miles a week. I'm at a steady 115 a week now with about 6.5 hours of ride time a week. I don't think I could ever get under 200 again, larger frame. I was 195 when I graduated high school and was walking 18 holes most days.
    I graduated from high school at 165, then got to 180 in college and then continued to play baseball and football in my 20's to where I got to a healthy, toned 210. That's where I peaked when I was working out and always playing a sport. I haven't played baseball in 4 years but will start playing again next Spring, which is why I want to get back to around 215.

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    Well even at 6'1, 215 pounds, your BMI would list you as excessively overweight bordering obesity. I realize there are limitations to BMI but like I said, unless you do a bunch of physical labor for your job you can afford to lose a some muscle while you slim down. Facts of life and stuff.

    For the most part, you're either losing or you're gaining. If you want good muscle tone, you have to lose most of the excess fat around the muscle. It's quite difficult to both lose weight (low calorie plan) and gain muscle (mid-high calorie plan).

    You can continue doing what you're doing and I'm sure you'll look okay in terms of what you want for yourself. I just think you will feel much healthier and look markedly more toned if you go all-in on losing your excess weight before you pack on muscle.
    That's my plan. That's why I have started on my meal plan and am doing nothing but cardio with no weight lifting.

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    I can't stand many raw veggies on their own. Especially broccoli. Lately, I've been dipping them in humus. Which incidentally, is a good source of protein.
    I believe broccoli's benefits are enhanced when it is steamed/sauteed first as opposed to raw. Grilling or roasting it also helps for me, not a huge raw broccoli fan either. Very good sauteed with carmelized shallots or onions too.

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    Does sprinkling cu ber slices with lime juice or vinegar do anything to diminish its worth?
    No sir, the juice from one whole lime is 10 calories.
    Basalmic Vinegar is what I use for my salads and it is only 5 calories for a whole tablespoon (Regina brand).

    I don't know as far as chemical reactions which will change the nutrition profile, but you don't really get anything from cu bers anyway so I think you are safe.

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    I believe broccoli's benefits are enhanced when it is steamed/sauteed first as opposed to raw. Grilling or roasting it also helps for me, not a huge raw broccoli fan either. Very good sauteed with carmelized shallots or onions too.
    huh...I didn't know that. I like it fine when it's steamed or stir fried.

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    I can't stand counting calories. I just changed what I ate in general and ate and drank less. Lost 25 pounds in a couple of months without much effort.

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    huh...I didn't know that. I like it fine when it's steamed or stir fried.
    * With olive oil that is

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    * With olive oil that is
    Was looking to confirm cooked being better and came across this...


    http://www.eatingwell.com/nutrition_..._raw_or_cooked

    Broccoli frequently earns a top spot on “superfoods” lists. This is partly because it delivers a healthy dose of sulforaphane, a compound thought to thwart cancer by helping to stimulate the body’s detoxifying enzymes. According to recent research in the Journal, raw broccoli provides significantly more of this beneficial nutrient than cooked. (Cooking locks sulforaphane in, making it unavailable to your body.) In the small study, men were given about 1 cup of broccoli, raw or cooked. Those who ate the raw broccoli absorbed sulforaphane faster and in higher amounts compared to those who ate it cooked. The findings add to growing evidence that links diets rich in cruciferous vegetables, such as broccoli, kale and cauliflower, to lower rates of cancer.

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    Been thinking about giving it a shot myself. Seems expensive to buy it in the store or from a restaurant for what I'm getting. Especially when I can eat the whole thing in one or two sittings.
    It was easy, a can of garbanzos (drained) a splash of lemon juice, a splash of olive oil, two cloves of garlic, and some salt. I blended it and added a little water as needed (to make sure that it blended smoothly), and it turned out great. Someone told me I should add tahini and I want to try adding fresh cilantro next time, but seriously, it is freaking simple and tasted great as is.

    Canned or dried garbanzos?
    I used canned for now, I didn't want to make it more complicated than necessary for the first time... Do you recommend dried?

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    I have just heard overcooking it, usually when boiling, reduces some of its nutritional value. That's why I recommended a sautee or a steaming. I don't boil any veggies anymore personally.

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    It was easy, a can of garbanzos (drained) a splash of lemon juice, a splash of olive oil, two cloves of garlic, and some salt. I blended it and added a little water as needed (to make sure that it blended smoothly), and it turned out great. Someone told me I should add tahini and I want to try adding fresh cilantro next time, but seriously, it is freaking simple and tasted great as is.



    I used canned for now, I didn't want to make it more complicated than necessary for the first time... Do you recommend dried?
    You can cut out preservatives and excessive salt that way, which is never bad. I haven/t made it myself but a pound of dried beans is pretty cheap, and I bet hummus freezes well. I make my refried black beans 2 pounds of beans at a time and freeze em.

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