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I like Catwoman. She is my favorite out of all the comic book characters. Second is Robin. I was hoping she and Robin were at the forefront of the movie. I wish Robin put his costume on. The movie needed the Robin (in costume) dynamic.
Not necessarily, but I wanted him to be the one to bring him to justice, as opposed to catwoman launching a missile into his belly. Maybe if they just had a better way of someone else interfering and finishing Bane off, I would have been happier.
It's probably more so that I didn't like how his character was finished off.
I like Catwoman. She is my favorite out of all the comic book characters. Second is Robin. I was hoping she and Robin were at the forefront of the movie. I wish Robin put his costume on. The movie needed the Robin (in costume) dynamic.
5/10
I was hoping this would happen too, actually. But I was still very satisfied.
*spoiler
For those upset that catwoman killed Bane: I didn't care that catwoman ulitimately killed Bane since Batman got the upper hand on him in their 2nd confrontation. Batman proved that he was superior to him. It wasn't till after Batman got stabbed by the woman that Bane could have killed him. Catwoman killing him helped build the importance of her not bailing when she had the chance.
SPOILER*****
This.
Batman beat the out of him in the second fight and could've killed him if he wanted but Thalia shanked him...plus, considering the ending of the movie...who's to say he's truly dead? If Nolan decides he's not done it wouldn't be far fetched to bring him back.
Understandable, and that is why it's not a major complaint in my mind. I wanted Batman to finish the job somehow, but him pounding the crap out of Bane's face, then telling him "you have my permission to die" was satisfying as for me. I had chills run down my spine at that part, just as I did when Bane punched Batman's mask to pieces.
Bane's ending gets worse and worse the more i think about it. I hate that he goes from being this badass mastermind of the destruction of Gotham into this puppet with a strange pedo-ish love for a little girl, now doing her bidding. Getting unceremoniously killed and forgotten in a split second also cheapened all the buildup Nolan gave us throughout the movie. Bane started off as the perfect villain but by the end he might as well have been wearing Spandex and following Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy on a chain.
Well put. I also doubt this is Nolans last stroll in this trilogy. I believe there will be another with a more prominent role towards Robin taking over the forefront. I don't think he gives up this money making machine yet.
Tbh not even sure if this movie was better than The Avengers, but still good. Felt like a more epic version of the first two Batman movies but it tried to be too epic. And the epic action scenes, while still blockbuster worthy, just aren't even in the same ballpark as The Avengers. This Batman also introduced too many new characters while trying to tie up a bunch of loose ends with the old ones.
Still everytime the movie began to lose my attention like during a lengthy Bruce Wayne scene or a flashback, it still somehow got me cheering for Batman to overcome everything. However I didn't really like the chemistry between any of the characters in this movie, tbh, although it had some fun lines...Joker was much more awesome.
List of minor, not so minor, and random faults that puts this movie down for me compared to TDK......SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS? :
- Too many clumsy flashbacks. Pays off in the end although it makes the storytelling overall feel lazy and unimpressive
- Bane's facemask doesn't translate well to the big screen, should have redesigned his character even further. Hooking up his voice to stadium speakers was an experience. Wasn't that impressive of a villain, was basically a smooth talking brute. Loved the line about the kid's voice though
- Bane's neckbreaking and face-crushing, while undeniably brutal, also just doesn't translate very well to the big screen and not very dramatic. Doesn't help that Steven Segal made it infamous
- That chant sounds like "THIS IS AWESOME, AWESOME!". Thought they said "Gotham" in the trailers. But "Awesome" works and makes the pit climbing spectacle that much more entertaining
- How did Batman have all that time to make his symbol on the skyscraper during the ice walking scene? Seemed like he wasted a lot of crucial minutes when Gordon was sentenced to death by exile
- The passing of time also felt clumsy and awkward, too much time was covered
- Qui Gon Jinn, a lot of themes/scenes felt like Star Wars, and not in a good way
- Cops vs Bane's men in the end, why the didn't both sides just shoot eachother instead of brawl it out? I wanted to care about Pvt Joker's death but yea not so much. Visually, the fight was also a spectacle, but a relatively unimpressive one
- Sentencing scene was funny and felt like a comic book. Could have used more Scarecrow....why not use more of a villain that the audience is already familiar with?
- Cat Woman. Didn't do much for me. Her background felt rushed, acting felt average, chemistry wasn't there with Bruce or Batman, who the was that blonde lesbo, and really wasn't that much eye candy either
Also not enough dark bad ass Batman stuff like "PRAY TO ME" and his interrogation against the Joker.
3/4 stars. I wonder if the director's cut will address some of my ing
Last edited by Cane; 07-21-2012 at 01:37 PM.
Tbh not even sure if this movie was better than The Avengers, but still good. Felt like a more epic version of the first two Batman movies but it tried to be too epic. And the epic action scenes, while still blockbuster worthy, just aren't even in the same ballpark as The Avengers. This Batman also introduced too many new characters while trying to tie up a bunch of loose ends with the old ones.
Still everytime the movie began to lose my attention like during a lengthy Bruce Wayne scene or a flashback, it still somehow got me cheering for Batman to overcome everything. However I didn't really like the chemistry between any of the characters in this movie, tbh, although it had some fun lines...Joker was much more awesome.
List of minor, not so minor, and random faults that puts this movie down for me compared to TDK......SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS? :
- Too many clumsy flashbacks. Pays off in the end although it makes the storytelling overall feel lazy and unimpressive
- Bane's facemask doesn't translate well to the big screen, should have redesigned his character even further. Hooking up his voice to stadium speakers was an experience. Wasn't that impressive of a villain, was basically a smooth talking brute. Loved the line about the kid's voice though
- Bane's neckbreaking and face-crushing, while undeniably brutal, also just doesn't translate very well to the big screen and not very dramatic. Doesn't help that Steven Segal made it infamous
- That chant sounds like "THIS IS AWESOME, AWESOME!". Thought they said "Gotham" in the trailers. But "Awesome" works and makes the pit climbing spectacle that much more entertaining
- How did Batman have all that time to make his symbol on the skyscraper during the ice walking scene? Seemed like he wasted a lot of crucial minutes when Gordon was sentenced to death by exile
- The passing of time also felt clumsy and awkward, too much time was covered
- Qui Gon Jinn, a lot of themes/scenes felt like Star Wars, and not in a good way
- Cops vs Bane's men in the end, why the didn't both sides just shoot eachother instead of brawl it out? I wanted to care about Pvt Joker's death but yea not so much. Visually, the fight was also a spectacle, but a relatively unimpressive one
- Sentencing scene was funny and felt like a comic book. Could have used more Scarecrow....why not use more of a villain that the audience is already familiar with?
- Cat Woman. Didn't do much for me. Her background felt rushed, acting felt average, chemistry wasn't there with Bruce or Batman, who the was that blonde lesbo, and really wasn't that much eye candy either
Also not enough dark bad ass Batman stuff like "PRAY TO ME" and his interrogation against the Joker.
3/4 stars. I wonder if the director's cut will address some of my ing
Wow, I feel like we watched two different movies lol
The feelings you have about this one is pretty much how I feel about TDK (trying too hard). This one for me, however was pretty damn good.
Great movie but the shoot em up special effects were apparently a little bit too realistic.
Bane's voice reminded me of someone trying to do a Sean Connery impression. A horrible one.
A few thoughts and some good and bad things about the movie. Spoilers ahead.
• I knew Carcetti was in the movie, but I didn't know that Bunny Colvin was going to be in it also.
• The overall tone was more like Begins than TDK. It felt more like a Batman movie than it did like Heat, but the looming feeling of dread that made up The Dark Knight carried over to this movie.
+ Bane was great. He had some great lines and was intimidating. Movie magic made him seem like a far more physically imposing character than Tom Hardy looks in real life. His ass whooping of Batman was pretty awesome.
+ The fight scenes were the best in the trilogy.
+ Cathaway was great. She was funny and a far more interesting character than Rachel Dawes. If there was one good thing The Joker did, it was blowing that up.
+ Jo Go was good. This was a clever way of integrating Robin into the trilogy. He was also given character traits from multiple Robins, and that was good.
+ This was the best Bale Batman in the entire trilogy, although there wasn't much Batman.
+ Everybody else did a good job. The cameo from Scarecrow was good.
- The editing was suspect in some areas, but mostly during the death scenes. I know this is a PG13 movie, but there were too many discretion shots. Pvt. Joker's death was goofier than it should have been do to it not being shown.
- Cathaway was good, but I would have liked a larger role for her.
- Bane's German Sean Connery voice didn't bother me in itself. It was, however, way too loud at some points.
Overall, I thought it was a satisfying end to the trilogy. It was better than Begins and The Avengers, but I'm not ready to say it was better than The Dark Knight. It's a shame that Nolan is claiming that there won't be another one, because I would like to see what he would have done with Robin and Bruce with Selina.
DPG, if you didn't like the scenes of Batman and Catwoman teaming up and the scene in the bar, something must be wrong with your brain.
Best scene was probably the first Bane Batman fight. That was AWESOME.
Bane really kicked Batman's ass. The part where he punched the cowl so hard that it broke was awesome.
I forgot to mention that the Dark Knight Trilogy has the best supervillains by far. Only Magneto from X-Men comes close, but he is mostly a sympathetic character.
So most of my lack of understanding probably comes from not knowing the comic-verse of Batman (or any comic character for that matter), but:
The Lazarus Pit: You saw it when Batman escaped, but what role did it play? Is that how Batman was able to so recover so well (back + all the other issues)? I know time had passed but, he seemed to recover so quickly in prison and his realisations gave him more strength, but that was unclear.
Robin: Was his background not being a part of a family circus? Or was that just something we haven't learned yet (how he became orphaned)?
Bane: So I thought the mask was there for Venom but there was no mention of that. They made it seem it was for "reducing pain" from surgeries in prision, but no mention of Venom or the tests. Is it just their adaptation?
Also, just as an aside, the part where he was beating Bain and yelling "tell me...." reminded of the part where he started to lose it with the Joker but now he was finally ready to do what is necessary - kill the bad guy.
Last edited by DPG21920; 07-21-2012 at 05:30 PM.
Dude, you are over-hyping Catwoman IMO. The scenes were fine, but I am glad it is painfully obvious that Catwoman would have used all of her 9 lives if Batman wasn't there to save her.
She would be destroyed by Batman, Bane and all of the other highly trained league of shadows members if trying to fight on her own. She did a good job, but I liked the scenes because of what I said above as she was very complimentary to Batman.
Went to the 8am showing today. Totally enjoyed it. Looking forward to the next Batman.
The Pit was the prison as a whole. I have no real world explanation on how he was able to recover there other than he was there for months and he worked his ass off. I just suspended disbelief a bit here.
But the pit was a metaphorical lazarus pit and not actually like one from the comic. He went to the prison broken and he was "reborn" there so it was not a literal resurrection but I still thought it was well done.
There were multiple Robins in the batman universe and not all of them were acrobats. Yeah, I think thats just how they adapted and explained the Bane mask.
Its over. I hope it goes a long ass time without a reboot and I hope Nolan does something else.
I think the new kid would make a great Batman and don't see why this has to end at all. There is a director and producer out there who could and should do great things with this. It ain't over by a long shot, IMHO.
See, I thought I saw an actual pit when he escaped? You could see what looked like one in the background. Maybe being so close to it is what enabled him to recover better (plus he learned some things too by hearing the stories and having to watch his city burn).
Also, they made no mention of venom at all. Still was not clear on what the mask did or why he needed it.
Well, duh. I thought your reason for starting a separate thread was obvious enough that I didn't need to use the blue font. I guess I was wrong.
Oh, cool your jets.
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