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    Apparently, prior to the 15th amendment, uncons utional did not equal Anti-American.
    Well, we're not living in a pre-15th amendment world. Thank God for the amendment process.

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    I also find it odd that the cons ution protects "Anti-American" speech, ideology, values, etc...
    But, it doesn't protect Anti-American activities -- if we're construing Anti-American to mean undermining our system of laws and government.

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    Giving speeches about how much you hate America, writing books and pamphleting about how much America blows and socialism is great -- all that isn't an anti-american activity that undermines law and government?

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    And I have no idea how you're construing "Anti-American." That term is so generic and overbroad that its ing worthless

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    Giving speeches about how much you hate America, writing books and pamphleting about how much America blows and socialism is great -- all that isn't an anti-american activity that undermines law and government?
    Only if it incites action to undermine our system of laws and government.

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    And I have no idea how you're construing "Anti-American." That term is so generic and overbroad that its ing worthless
    Maybe you should watch the context of the discussion.

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    Only if it incites action to undermine our system of laws and government.
    How is that not an incitement to undermine our system of laws and government?

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    Maybe you should watch the context of the discussion.
    I did, and all I saw was you being made a fool of.

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    Only if it incites action to undermine our system of laws and government.
    How is denying a business permit against "our sytem of laws and government", which sounds much like paranoid right-winger's dog whistle.

    ty bars are forbidden within some distance of schools, and sometimes within city limits, as are fireworks stands.

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    Chick Fil-A is not a ty bar, boutons. :facepalm

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    Also: Franchises.

    Look into it.

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    Read and learn something on your own.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,7136734.story

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    Short version:

    Alderman Moreno wants to deny a franchise who hires gay workers the ability to open a restaurant because they discriminate against teh gays!

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    It's strange that in 2012, the phrase

    "I believe that marriage is a union between a man and a woman"

    is hate speech.
    It's not hate speech per se, but it is ignorant, tbh.....

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    It's not hate speech per se, but it is ignorant, tbh.....
    Not really. It's an opinion. It's also an extension of what has been a societal norm for the last couple of hundred years.

    Doesn't make it right. It also doesn't make it ignorant.

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    Not really. It's an opinion.
    Opinions and ignorance aren't mutually exclusive....

    It's also an extension of what has been a societal norm for the last couple of hundred years.
    Slavery, male-only elections, and Jim Crow laws were also all societal norms in the past....

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    Opinions and ignorance aren't mutually exclusive....


    Slavery, male-only elections, and Jim Crow laws were also all societal norms in the past....
    Hence the caveat I offered. And an opinion is exactly that: An opinion. It can be based in ignorance, but it's not ignorant in and of itself.

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    How is that not an incitement to undermine our system of laws and government?
    Because people bloviate.

    But, to be honest, I think some people tow the line pretty close...Malik Shabazz's offer of a bounty on George Zimmerman probably crossed that line.

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    anti-american =|= violating laws and undermining government

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    Hence the caveat I offered. And an opinion is exactly that: An opinion. It can be based in ignorance, but it's not ignorant in and of itself.
    If the opinion is based in ignorance, then it's ignorant... you're just arguing semantics, tbh...

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    It's not hate speech per se, but it is ignorant, tbh.....

    Then probably no need for boycotts or city mayors trying to interfere with their business.

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    If the opinion is based in ignorance, then it's ignorant... you're just arguing semantics, tbh...

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    Sometimes I'll argue just for the of it.


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    That does raise the question of whether or not Emmanuel will revoke the existing Chick-fil-A's permit and require them to vacate...because they don't share Chicago's values.

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