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Marino is easily a top 5 QB.
What kind of crap is this? Bradshaw, Tarkenton, Unitas, Kelly, and Fouts being better than Marino? You must be out of your mind.
Marino is easily a top 5 QB.
It's pretty re ed for anyone to drop him down past guys like Bradshaw and Fouts because of not winning a Superbowl, which is a freaking TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT.
I would really like to see someone name a QB that led a team with average to poor running backs, blocking, pass rush, pass coverage, run stopping, receiving core, and special teams, to a Superbowl.
EVERY SB WINNING TEAM WAS GOOD IN MOST IF NOT ALL OF THOSE PHASES OF THE GAME.
Now I agree that winning a SB does matter, to an extent. It shows an ability to be able to step up when it matters most (through the playoffs). But there are times when good QBs who never won a SB had plenty of great playoff appearances but was let down by his team (Dan Marino). As well as vice versa, with QBs winning multiple SBs, but consistently playing likes in the playoffs (Ben Worthlessburger). So people who base rankings so heavily on championships (in any sport) is re ed. Especially to say Bradshaw and Fouts > Marino
Chuck Foreman, Minnesota's defense and in two cases the self-destructive tendencies of the L.A. Rams had as much to do with the Vikings winning those conference les as Tarkenton.
I'd take Marino over Brett Favre too, for that matter. Favre had SEVERAL horrible throws/games in big games.
I would put Marino before those two--to me lists of all-time greats, when posted by keyboarders like us, are all opinion. He had horrible defenses and that's what kept him from being a multiple SB winner. In the discussion of all things sports (and in Amurica) it is ultimately defined on what is won and you're right it is a team endeavor. It would be hard for me to find 5 better QBs than Marino. I don't really care to make lists because it doesn't really do much for me. But Bradshaw and Fouts are definitely great QBs but Marino has them beat.It's pretty re ed for anyone to drop him down past guys like Bradshaw and Fouts because of not winning a Superbowl, which is a freaking TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT.
I would really like to see someone name a QB that led a team with average to poor running backs, blocking, pass rush, pass coverage, run stopping, receiving core, and special teams, to a Superbowl.
EVERY SB WINNING TEAM WAS GOOD IN MOST IF NOT ALL OF THOSE PHASES OF THE GAME.
Now I agree that winning a SB does matter, to an extent. It shows an ability to be able to step up when it matters most (through the playoffs). But there are times when good QBs who never won a SB had plenty of great playoff appearances but was let down by his team (Dan Marino). As well as vice versa, with QBs winning multiple SBs, but consistently playing likes in the playoffs (Ben Worthlessburger). So people who base rankings so heavily on championships (in any sport) is re ed. Especially to say Bradshaw and Fouts > Marino
I remember seeing games where Marino would put up 500+ yards and 4 touchdowns and the D blowing the game to a no-name QB. Poor dude...I definitely agree that if he had the 49ers D this wouldn't be a debate. But that's why sports is fun. The discussion is what keeps the masses involved.
Here's the thing people don't get...as a pure passer, yeah Danny could very well be the best ever. He has all these stats though b/c he ing HAD to pass all the time. He was great, but he wasn't the best playoff performer.
He wasn't flawless in the playoffs, but he had his share of fantastic performances, enough that with a decent all-around team, he would have probably won a ring or two.
The 85/86 and 92 AFC Championship games hurt his legacy, as they were the closest he would get to a SB again. He and the Dolphins had no business losing to the Steve Grogan/Tony Eason Pats at home in that AFCCG. Likewise, in the 1992 AFCCG, he crapped the bed against the Bills (in Miami) with 3 or 4 turnovers.
Yeah, he played with a lackluster supporting cast for the majority of his career, but he was not the best when his team needed him in the playoffs. He's an all-time great, but no way in ing is he the best QB of all-time.
Was that a horrible Super Bowl between the Grogan Pats and the Ditka McMahon Bears? Wowsa! Would've been better to have watched Marino vs that vaunted D.
Everybody wanted to see that b/c the Fins dealt the Bears their only loss that year.
Bears would've stomped them out the 2nd time around though
excuses, excuses, excuses
The QB, probably more than any other sport at any other position, has the greatest impact on their team from an individual standpoint.
Bradshaw won mother ing 4 super bowls, and you can debate the team around him all you want, but dude still got it done when it mattered
Marino failed early in the playoffs time after time after time after time, while playing for one of the greatest coaches in NFL history, in a scheme where he was the focal point of the offense... Meaning the onus was on him to get the team to the promised land. And he failed in all but one year.
Shula might bear some responsibility for not running the ball enough, but you play with the cards you're dealt. The great ones find a way to win.
So make more excuses
How then do you explain the 49ers? Fantastic team with a sub-par QB. Not going to make it to the super bowl with a bum like him, even though the rest of the team is as talented and deep as any other in the league.
There's a reason why Trent Dilfer is the only QB I can think of in the modern era who took his team to a super bowl victory without having a great year.
I'll take intangibles over stats any day, because those are what win you football games late in December and beyond
In a vacuum where winning doesn't matter, then yeah, he's top 5. Otherwise, it's as I said
Would it make you mad if I said even Phil Simms is a better QB all time? Plunkett? lmao, I'll take 1 or 2 SB victories and ty stats over massive stats and endless failure any day of the week.
Mcmahon, Rypein, Williams, Dilfer, Aikman, and basically any QB who has won a SB > Marino
lol regular season show pony
This is hilarious.
It's the teams fault Marino didn't get to the Super Bowl, but if he had won a SB, then I guarantee people would be talking about how he did it all himself on a lackluster team.
You can't have it both ways
Bottom line, you can't be in the GOAT conversation if you don't have a ring.
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I'm assuming you're being facetious with det one
just a bit^
I'm assume you're being facetious with det one
That isn't having it both ways.... his supporting cast would have been lackluster whether he won a ring or not, tbh....
Doesn't matter. The 2002 draft class of top pick David Carr, 3rd pick Joey Harrington, and 32nd pick Patrick Ramsey trumps all.
As a Chargerfan, Fouts is absolutely NOT better than Marino, that's laughable.... he was a poor man's Marino, tbh....
What kind of crap is this? Bradshaw, Tarkenton, Unitas, Kelly, and Fouts being better than Marino? You must be out of your mind.
Doesn't matter. The 2002 draft class of top pick David Carr, 3rd pick Joey Harrington, and 32nd pick Patrick Ramsey trumps all.
"But David Carr won a ring, that means he's better than Marino!"
Damn. My bad. You're right.
-Jim Plunkett won with the 1980 Raiders (not a great team by any means, just hot at the right time).
-John Elway dragged bad defenses and running games to 3 SB's before getting TD.
-the examples go on and on...
I'm from Miami, so I'm jaded a bit growing up around excuse-making, dumbass Dolphin fans, but the fact is Marino's playoff career is about as impressive as Craig Morton's. Dude was a uva 4th-qtr comeback QB in the regular season, but he didn't elevate his play in the postseason like all the greats do.
Is there even a quintessential Marino playoff moment that you can think of?
backups don't count
Phyllis Rivers is another example of a guy who puts up huge numbers but will never get a ring
lol Chargers
Yeah, Chargers will ALWAYS fall short...it's just in their make-up. Teams like Buffalo, Detroit, SD, Philly, Cleveland will always be losers...it's just a stink that won't come off those franchises.
Bah I guarantee you Detroit has another winning season this year. Playoffs will be tough, even if they go 10-6 like I think they will. That is still a good year.
Their division is ridiculous. The NFC is going to be really good this year. I think its up in the air who gets in the playoffs.
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Being a Niner fan, I've been lucky to watch some of the greatest, and then basically 10+ seasons of pure until last year.
Marino had all the ingredients
1. Great HC
2. Huge fan support
3. consistent personnel who played together for a long time
4. supportive ownership
5. Good players around him on offense (except maybe at RB)
Some- ing-body explain to me why he couldn't get it right at least one of those years?????
And you want him in the GOAT conversation?
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