Lakers: Why is Jerry Sloan being talked about as a good candidate for LA?

[Koolaid_Man]

I disagree a lot about D'Antoni for LA. I think the upside there is tremendous and to me he should be the coach that is hired.

What do you know...you can't even make legit bets...Phil will inspire and players will look upon him in awe because of his accomplishments..that's 3/4 of the battle....

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I think the number 1 reason goes beyond the Xs and Os. When Sloan lost his allies in the Jazz front office he lost the struggle for the locker room as soon as Deron Williams got unhappy. That was one big star ego in an otherwise lowkey locker room in a small market. He'd be going to a club that just had a similar shift of power to the younger Buss, plus Kobe's megawatt ego, a franchise center that's got at least one coach's blood on his hands, and a market with more cameras than there are Mormons in Utah. It's a bad fit already before you even consider his drill sergeant reputation.

Do they have anyone within the organization that they can go with like Spoelstra? Someone tight with the management. Wouldn't be a ready made guy, but all of those that are available and worth a damn are all guys coming out of situations where their stars chased them out of town. Before they'll buy into a new system the players need to be able to buy into the idea that any new guy won't be just as disposable as Brown.

[DMC]

In the past teams looked for players that fit into their coaching system. Now they look for coaches that fit into their players ego structure.

The NBA is ed.

[Brazil]

In the past teams looked for players that fit into their coaching system. Now they look for coaches that fit into their players ego structure.

The NBA is ed.

[DAF86]

Why is D'Antoni a bad hire? The talent on LA is perfect for D'Antoni. He had built a solid team in New York until he was gutted by the Carmelo trade. Carmelo being too selfish to give up his "let me go iso every ing possession" offense shouldn't be D'Antoni's fault. Management put D'Antoni in a weak position by going over his head with the trade, then giving Carmelo all the power. At that point there was nothing else D'Antoni could do, except bench Carmelo, which would have gotten him fired anyways.

The only problem in LA would be Kobe's love of going iso too, but he's not nearly as reliant on that as Carmelo. Kobe can find his shots within the flow of a real offense too. D'Antoni to the Lakers makes even more sense than Phil coming back.

lol what?

His players are old and slow as so no up-tempo offense, he has to play Gasol and Dwight so no small-ball, they have no three point shooters.

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[DAF86]

I disagree with DUNCANownsKOBE tbh, the talent on LA does fit Sloan's style. Probably the greatest pick and roll PG ever and two elite bigmen to play it with, two hard nosed wings that can cut to the basket and have the strength to bang and take advantage inside, Lakers' lack of three point shooters wouldn't matter 'cause three pointers aren't a crucial part of Sloan's offensive plan.

The problem with Sloan is, as many have said, his way of managing the lockeroom.

With all this said, the right choice without a doubt is Jackson but I don't know if he will take it.

[lefty]

Mike Brown is available

[venky]

LA needs a coach that won't micromanage during the game.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

"The greatest pick and roll PG ever." This isn't 2006. More stupidity and backwards logic inspired by a 38 year old PG who we aren't even sure is getting healthy any time soon.

[DAF86]

"The greatest pick and roll PG ever." This isn't 2006. More stupidity and backwards logic inspired by a 38 year old PG who we aren't even sure is getting healthy any time soon.

He's still on of the best at that, tbh. And if he doesn't heal it won't matter who becomes the coach. LA needs Nash to play at a high level for them to be contenders. He's the main difference between last year's team and this one.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

He's still on of the best at that, tbh.

How many teams have won a championship running the offense through their "great pick and roll" PG? It doesn't matter if he's still one of the best at it, unless the NBA changed its rules recently and instead of the playoffs they have a compe ion where each team's PG demonstrates his ability to run the pick and roll and the team with the best PG wins. Did that happen, I'm not sure tbh. The way everyone thinks the Lakers should run their offense through Nash when Nash has been injured since game 1, that must be it.

The reason he's stayed good at running pick and rolls is because he's done it in small ball lineups that have great spacing and create gimmicky mismatches. Remember how good he was at running pick and rolls when it was 2009 and he was playing with a C who clogs the lane? That's more of what it would be like, only he's a lot worse now than he was then. It would be extremely stupid to run the offense through an brittle boned PG who turns 39 in February who couldn't win a le in his prime when you have Howard, Gasol, and Kobe. There is so much stupidity involving Steve Nash posted on this forum and the entire internet I'm almost convinced its a world wide attempt to troll me.

[DAF86]

Nobody said that the offense should be run through him. In fact I don't think the offense should be run through anybody in particular on the Lakers. Nash, Gasol, Dwight and Kobe should all share playmaking responsibilites equally. Kinda like the Spurs have done over the years with Tony, Manu and Tim.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You said Jerry Sloan would be a good fit. Jerry Sloan has always built his offense around the PG. Nash is the PG. You can figure the rest out on your own.

[DAF86]

You said Jerry Sloan would be a good fit. Jerry Sloan has always built his offense around the PG. Nash is the PG. You can figure the rest out on your own.

That's because he has always had world class PGs. If he would have had Lebron do you think he would have built his offense around the PG?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

That's because he has always had world class PG. If he would have had Lebron do you think he would have built his offense around the PG?

You've been sucking Nash's as the best PNR PG in the NBA in this thread, so Sloan would still have a world class PG according to your logic. Now your saying he isn't a world class PG? Pick a lane.

And I'm not sure what he'd do if he had Lebron. If winning a championship with a coach is contingent on the 60-some year old coach reinventing himself and completely changing up his system from how its been his entire 20 year career, that's not a chance any sane human being would want to take.

[DAF86]

You've been sucking Nash's as the best PNR PG in the NBA in this thread, so Sloan would still have a world class PG according to your logic. Now your saying he isn't a world class PG? Pick a lane.

Saying the he's probably the best pnr PG ever doesn't necesarilly mean that I think that he's still World class.

And I'm not sure what he'd do if he had Lebron. If winning a championship with a coach is contingent on the 60-some year old coach reinventing himself and completely changing up his system from how its been his entire 20 year career, that's not a chance any sane human being would want to take.

He doesn't need to change his system tbh, he can make subtle changes or even have the same exact offensive schemes but with the SF or SG running the pnr instead of the PG, for example.

You're not being honest when you say that you don't know what he would do if he had Lebron. He would do what any coach in the World, adapt his system to the talent he has.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Saying the he's probably the best pnr PG ever doesn't necesarilly mean that I think that he's still World class.

So then why would you say he's the best PNR PG ever when you're now admitting he's no longer world class? Are you admitting it was re ed and intellectually dishonest to ever dwell in the past and act like it's 2006?

He doesn't need to change his system tbh, he can make subtle changes or even have the same exact offensive schemes but with the SF or SG running the pnr instead of the PG, for example.

OK, so now Sloan would be a good fit because he could run the PNR with his SG and SF. Originally it was because he had the best PNR PG in the history of the universe and two hard nosed wings who can cut to the basket. My how your reasons keep changing.

You're not being honest when you say that you don't know what he would do if he had Lebron. He would do what any coach in the World, adapt his system to the talent he has.

His ability to adapt to talent and change his system being completely unproven since he's ran the exact same offense that has been PG-oriented his entire career. It's intellectually dishonest to pretend a 60-something year old coach can adapt to a team structured completely different from the teams he's always coached as quickly and easily as the snap of your fingers.

[ezau]

Why are we talking about a team that's just a few wins better than the Bobcats? Lakers are lucky to reach the playoffs this year.

[The TroutBum]

Look at all the gots that are butt hurt that the Jazz owned their anus over the years saying that Sloan wouldn't work in LA. Comical.


the Laker's and it would be a sad day to see Jerry take over, but just like I did with Benedict Malone, I'd shove 30 years of fandom down the ter and hope he dies in a plane crash.

[Raven]

a)
I'd say they were comparable to the 2007 Cavaliers. Maybe they overachieved, but them running into a team capable of exposing their flaws was inevitable, even if the only teams that could weren't in their conference.
b)
I'm not sure what your point is here at all. Your recycling the, "He knew the game went beyond stats! He's an old school guy!" rhetoric people use with Sloan because there isn't any substance to back up the claim his teams were gritty teams that played well in the half court. His teams were up tempo teams that won games by out shooting the other team.
c)
So you're admitting he was a mediocre coach defensively. Good, glad we're clear on that.

I was commenting the similarities between sloan and d'antoni, so you need to put that into contest..

[Pelicans78]

This Lakers team isn't gonna beat the Heat no matter who is coaching. Kobe and Gasol are too old to carry the load and Howard isn't good enough offensively to do it. LOL at thinking Nash is the answer. He's no CP3 and even if he was, it still wouldn't be enough.

[Monostradamus]

His players are old

LOL Dwight Howard is old? He's 26, but yeah, he's "old".

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[DAF86]

LOL Dwight Howard is old? He's 26, but yeah, he's "old".

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Ok, let's ignore all the other componets of the starting line-up and their two most important bench players.

[pass1st]

Ok, let's ignore all the other componets of the starting line-up and their two most important bench players.

Tbh, Hill is our most important bench player and he's young.

[DAF86]

Tbh, Hill is our most important bench player and he's young.

I expect D'antoni to play Jamison as the main(/probably only) big off the bench.