Tonight is why trading Neal might not be worth it...

[SequSpur]

Must be trolling, i don't even know if Neal had a positive perfomance or not in this game(despite his 29 points).

trolling?

[Chinook]

This at ude is why people on here propose so many unrealistic trades. You can't get good players by trading bad players. You have to give up something you'd rather keep in hopes that what you get back will offset what you let go. Neal is valuable to this team, and that makes him valuable to other teams. But the second-best offensive team in the league would probably be able to handle the loss of a shooter. No one is saying to just get rid of Neal. He should not be moved for a second-rounder or anything that won't help the team right now, but if the Spurs can trade him along with other pieces for the player they think puts them over the top, they have to do it.

[Boomersgold]

You're quickly rising on the ranks of tiest posters on Spurstalk.

If his trade value is high, then rather than let him walk out next year due to free agency (I doubt the Spurs will resign him with all that depth at the guard spot), we could get trade Neal and get a quality player in return. Not nearly as bad as your posts, buddy.

[Boomersgold]

You're quickly rising on the ranks of tiest posters on Spurstalk.

Here's an example of one of your awesome posts:
"Good ing Allah god, it keeps happening. BULL "

As Barkley would say, "Just turrible."

[letmk]

Would still rather trade Green if anyone because Anderson can do pretty much what he does plus putting the ball on the floor and passing while nobody can replace Neal. Plus Green's streaky shooting is kinda unreliable compared to a sniper like Neal that can hit any shot any time really.

Don't want to dismiss Anderson as a NBA player as he is showing some progress. However, he is far far behind Green at this point. Green is not a star in any means, but he is a legit starting SG for a real championship contender. And that is not an easy task at all.

Also on defense, Green is far from a great defender, but Pop always puts him on the other teams' best/hottest perimeter players. The result are not always good as we still got beat by players like Paul. But at the very least, it spares Tony from getting tired from defending players like Lin tonight.

[Brunodf]

This at ude is why people on here propose so many unrealistic trades. You can't get good players by trading bad players. You have to give up something you'd rather keep in hopes that what you get back will offset what you let go. Neal is valuable to this team, and that makes him valuable to other teams. But the second-best offensive team in the league would probably be able to handle the loss of a shooter. No one is saying to just get rid of Neal. He should not be moved for a second-rounder or anything that won't help the team right now, but if the Spurs can trade him along with other pieces for the player they think puts them over the top, they have to do it.

100% this, i would take a top 5 pick too

[Paranoid Pop]

This thread brings up something I'm curious about. What should the starting lineup be once Leonard comes back?

Neal looks very comfortable in the starting SG role and I would have campaigned him to start there once Leonard was healthy, but Green also did well at the end of today's game so you can't bench him. I don't know if this sounds crazy, but should Leonard be the starting PF over Blair? That way, you could start Duncan, Leonard, Green, Neal, and Parker. The 2nd unit will be Splitter, Diaw, Jackson, Manu, and De Colo. I don't have the stats to back up this idea, but just on paper alone, what do you guys think?

Problem is you can't switch the D with Green guarding the PG and he would potentially see monsters like Durant while Kahwi could see monsters like Blake Griffin.

[SequSpur]

Green is a in allstar. Period.

[Mugen]

Even though i'm super high on Nando, games like tonight prove why Gary has to stay in the rotation even if he's not a natural PG.

His shotmaking skills are just way too invaluable in playoff games where the Spurs offense bogs down.

[racm]

Boomersgold is just the resident Church of Patty head, tbh

[Manu-20]

This thread brings up something I'm curious about. What should the starting lineup be once Leonard comes back?

Neal looks very comfortable in the starting SG role and I would have campaigned him to start there once Leonard was healthy, but Green also did well at the end of today's game so you can't bench him. I don't know if this sounds crazy, but should Leonard be the starting PF over Blair? That way, you could start Duncan, Leonard, Green, Neal, and Parker. The 2nd unit will be Splitter, Diaw, Jackson, Manu, and De Colo. I don't have the stats to back up this idea, but just on paper alone, what do you guys think?

I've thought about starting Leonard to as the starting PF sometimes too seeing Blair out there starting well do that to you, but to answer your question it may work with Leonard playing PF he is the type of SF who in theory could play PF, the other PF would have to come out of the paint to guard him leaving the paint open or we force the other team to go small. My concern with doing this though is the wear and tear it might cause on Leonard but overall it is an intresting idea we could just go big to with Splitter when we play teams like the lakers and memphis.

[widowmaker]

This thread brings up something I'm curious about. What should the starting lineup be once Leonard comes back?

Neal looks very comfortable in the starting SG role and I would have campaigned him to start there once Leonard was healthy, but Green also did well at the end of today's game so you can't bench him. I don't know if this sounds crazy, but should Leonard be the starting PF over Blair? That way, you could start Duncan, Leonard, Green, Neal, and Parker. The 2nd unit will be Splitter, Diaw, Jackson, Manu, and De Colo. I don't have the stats to back up this idea, but just on paper alone, what do you guys think?

Na no way. I would say that the starting line up stays the same and Leonard comes off the bench then whenever a game comes around where team matchups come into play Leonard moves back to the starting line up. Parker, Green, Leonard, Blair, Duncan.

[letmk]

This at ude is why people on here propose so many unrealistic trades. You can't get good players by trading bad players. You have to give up something you'd rather keep in hopes that what you get back will offset what you let go. Neal is valuable to this team, and that makes him valuable to other teams. But the second-best offensive team in the league would probably be able to handle the loss of a shooter. No one is saying to just get rid of Neal. He should not be moved for a second-rounder or anything that won't help the team right now, but if the Spurs can trade him along with other pieces for the player they think puts them over the top, they have to do it.

Just propose some trades, and let's see if it can improve the Spurs and at the same time it's doable. Don't need to be probable, just reasonable enough to get the other team considering. Let's see what you can come up with.

[DAF86]

If his trade value is high, then rather than let him walk out next year due to free agency (I doubt the Spurs will resign him with all that depth at the guard spot), we could get trade Neal and get a quality player in return. Not nearly as bad as your posts, buddy.

And then maybe Mills gets some playing time.

[Darkwaters]

Anderson can't do everything green can, yes green is a streaky shooter but between the two in my eyes green is the better player.

I'm pretty sure it's more than just you. It's basically everyone. Danny Green has a long-term NBA contract. James Anderson is just barely out of the D-League, and might be on his way back down there once a few injured players return.

This isn't even a discussion.

[Boomersgold]

Boomersgold is just the resident Church of Patty head, tbh

But whenever De Colo plays well, I always give him credit for his performances. Not like some of these Blair or Neal haters out there. Everyone has their favorite player. For example, Manu fans will try to defend him even when Manu has a bad game and goes 1 from 7 from three point land, with some even calling him a "Shooting-gawd." Freetiago tends to want Tiago to play. I wonder why?

[SpurPadre]

Dude hits big shots but I do not, repeat do not want him jacking up stupid ass shots, thinking he's MJ at crucial moments in the playoffs if we find ourselves with our backs against the wall before The Big 3 get their hands on the ball. If he can do that and wait for his opportunities and know his role in the team, then yes, he should stay here. But his shot-selection can be cringe-worthy. He's a proven player and am glad to have him but if we can get a legit big for him, then it might be something we have to look into.

[timtonymanu]

Yeah I just thought about it because Neal looks way more effective when he's playing shooting guard. Neal will likely be relegated back to that back-up PG spot once Leonard and Jack are back and I like the role he's currently in right now.

[lakerhaterade]

If his trade value is high, then rather than let him walk out next year due to free agency (I doubt the Spurs will resign him with all that depth at the guard spot), we could get trade Neal and get a quality player in return. Not nearly as bad as your posts, buddy.

I wouldn't trade him. Every team needs a player like Neal. I'm glad he's on this team despite his bad decision making at times.

You're a ty poster. Check your posts in the game thread to see why that's the case.

You make it hard for a fellow spur fan to like Patty Mills with the way you fellate him.

nando sucks at defense
patty mills!

Here's an example of one of your awesome posts:
"Good ing Allah god, it keeps happening. BULL "

hahahaha

I try to have fun. What can I say, ty poster?

[Em-City]

This at ude is why people on here propose so many unrealistic trades. You can't get good players by trading bad players. You have to give up something you'd rather keep in hopes that what you get back will offset what you let go. Neal is valuable to this team, and that makes him valuable to other teams. But the second-best offensive team in the league would probably be able to handle the loss of a shooter. No one is saying to just get rid of Neal. He should not be moved for a second-rounder or anything that won't help the team right now, but if the Spurs can trade him along with other pieces for the player they think puts them over the top, they have to do it.

With the team we have right now, Neal is not just a shooter - he is the only player not named timmy or tony who is able to create his own shot when teams are rotating hard whilst we swing the ball. Manu used to be this guy, but his iso-play is just not there this year, and let's face it although he's been improving offensively most of his success has come when manu has played within the team's flow.

Now i know "hero-ball" is the mis-used term of the month here at ST but when it comes to playoffs, you need a man like Neal who can do it for himself to take the pressure off the team when our opponent is filling the passing lanes and roughing us up.. especially when tony is off. I'm not condoning Gary as the PG - i feel he's best at SG but trust me, if we got rid of him, we're gonna have a moment or two in the PO's where the opponent goes on a 7-0 run in the 4th qtr of a close one, and we're gonna say "i wish we had somebody like neal to step up and hit a big 3 to take the pressure off".

[Boomersgold]

I wouldn't trade him. Every team needs a player like Neal. I'm glad he's on this team despite his bad decision making at times.

You're a ty poster. Check your posts in the game thread to see why that's the case.

You make it hard for a fellow spur fan to like Patty Mills with the way you fellate him.

nando sucks at defense
patty mills!



I try to have fun. What can I say, ty poster?

So do I. When Patty scores a three, I'll type "Patty Mills!". When De Colo hits Splitter with an awesome assist, I'll post "De Colo!" That's what everyone else does....
What about those Neal haters in today's thread that said we should take off Neal because he was playing hero ball (even though he scored 26 points...)

[timtonymanu]

You make it hard for a fellow spur fan to like Patty Mills with the way you fellate him.

nando sucks at defense
patty mills!

rofl the Patty love on this board is actually quite overrated and I myself am a Patty fan too. There are a number of guilty posters who overhype the guy.

[Chinook]

Just propose some trades, and let's see if it can improve the Spurs and at the same time it's doable. Don't need to be probable, just reasonable enough to get the other team considering. Let's see what you can come up with.

It's not even hard to do that. We've been talking about this in the Think Tank for weeks now. There are teams like the Wolves, Sixers and Suns who'd love what Neal brings to a team. What we've been debating is whether players like Derrick Williams, Marcin Gortat, Paul Millsap, Larry Sanders and the like are what the Spurs need. That's definitely something worthy of discussion, and you have every right to challenge that. But our opinions on it don't matter, because it's all about what Pop thinks is best. And that's what I'm saying: If he has the chance to acquire whatever he thinks the Spurs need, Neal should absolutely be part of that package. He's not untradeable just because he's good.

[DesignatedT]

Depends what you're trading him for. Pretty sure nobody has ever wanted to trade him just to trade him.

[Boomersgold]

rofl the Patty love on this board is actually quite overrated and I myself am a Patty fan too. There are a number of guilty posters who overhype the guy.

A lot of Bonner posters who overhype Bonner as well...C'mon, there are more threads with "Does Bonner improves front lineup" than there are Patty threads. (A LOT MORE)