Android beats iOS in Q3 sales by 75% to 14.9% worldwide.

[leemajors]

stock is inflated by inflated expectations of apple performance. It is just reverting back.

I got out of EPP a long time ago, around $300 a share I think. I was surprised it dropped late since they beat the estimates, but this makes no sense to me

[benfti]

That woukd make sense if Apple didn't sell more iphones each go round and keep gaining market share.

and that is exactly why the share prices are tanking, yes, they sold more iphones, but not heaps more, and more importantly they dropped in percentage of market growth gained. They only got just over 16% of new users. A year ago, the iPhone was the symbol of smart phones.

Due to their insanely high margins all telecommunications and retail companies wanted to see happen for a long time was the consumer consider the (higher margin) alternative. Which is now happening globally. Apple as well as it has done after the Apple stores are really only as strong as their supply chain are willing to let it be.

Its good times, it will probably mean now that Apple products will have to become more affordable for them to gain their share back

[leemajors]

and that is exactly why the share prices are tanking, yes, they sold more iphones, but not heaps more, and more importantly they dropped in percentage of market growth gained. They only got just over 16% of new users. A year ago, the iPhone was the symbol of smart phones.

Due to their insanely high margins all telecommunications and retail companies wanted to see happen for a long time was the consumer consider the (higher margin) alternative. Which is now happening globally. Apple as well as it has done after the Apple stores are really only as strong as their supply chain are willing to let it be.

Its good times, it will probably mean now that Apple products will have to become more affordable for them to gain their share back

Apple's worldwide smartphone market share grew to 25.1% this last year, from 18.8 %.

[benfti]

I said they grew, im talking about they didnt grow enough new market share, hence the drop in share price.

You have to remember that they came to market with a new major build, and only took just under 8% of the market. Those figures include finally coming out in China. A lot of that are probably repeat business upgrades, Im just trying to explain why the share prices dropped.

Im not saying Apple is dying.

[leemajors]

I said they grew, im talking about they didnt grow enough new market share, hence the drop in share price.

You have to remember that they came to market with a new major build, and only took just under 8% of the market. Those figures include finally coming out in China. A lot of that are probably repeat business upgrades, Im just trying to explain why the share prices dropped.

Im not saying Apple is dying.

Aye, I just took it as coming back down closer to where it should have been, had been overpriced for some time. I think a few people made a load of money when it dropped though, not convinced it had a whole lot to do with sales, products, or market share.

[bluebellmaniac]

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[Pop]

Android may go down significantly if Samsung is successful with Tizen.

Google making hardware made Android phone manufacturers very cautious and Samsung has a very strong brand so if anyone can pull it off it's them.

The Ubuntu phones look intriguing as well long term since the final solution is said to be phones that could be docked and run the full OS. Windows should do that as well, if the windows phones ran RT and could be docked, I'd only need one device and would be all over it...

So I'm not sure about Android long term, for myself at least, Google Maps is ported to every major OS and that the one app I'd have a hard time living without.

[Cry Havoc]

Android may go down significantly if Samsung is successful with Tizen.

Google making hardware made Android phone manufacturers very cautious and Samsung has a very strong brand so if anyone can pull it off it's them.

The Ubuntu phones look intriguing as well long term since the final solution is said to be phones that could be docked and run the full OS. Windows should do that as well, if the windows phones ran RT and could be docked, I'd only need one device and would be all over it...

So I'm not sure about Android long term, for myself at least, Google Maps is ported to every major OS and that the one app I'd have a hard time living without.

Honestly, this is good for the market. Android right now is a lock to be the leader around the world. At this point Apple has played it's hand and they're losing more ground all the time. Android needs another compe or, and even if everything was 50-50 with Apple, more compe ors are good for consumers.

[ElNono]

We received an email from Microsoft a couple days ago, inquiring about our flagship iOS product. We're having a phone conference soon. I suspect they want us to port it to the Surface. We'll see what the incentives are.

tbh, I've been postponing learning dotNet for a while, and this might be the right time to do it.

At any rate, it looks like they're being pretty aggressive.

[Trainwreck2100]

We received an email from Microsoft a couple days ago, inquiring about our flagship iOS product. We're having a phone conference soon. I suspect they want us to port it to the Surface. We'll see what the incentives are.

tbh, I've been postponing learning dotNet for a while, and this might be the right time to do it.

At any rate, it looks like they're being pretty aggressive.

what product is that? If you really don't want to tell the forum pm me. Also lol surface

[ElNono]

pm sent

[Trainwreck2100]

pm sent

so that's why you never ported to android

[ElNono]

so that's why you never ported to android

We've given some thought to port to Android based on customer requests, but when we put everything together, both the business and technical sides, it just didn't quite add up (yet anyways).

The hardware fragmentation really makes it challenging, both on the technical side (supporting all sorts of resolutions, memory configurations, etc) and the support side (X device exhibits a particular issue, etc).

On the business side, back when we looked, in-App purchases were not quite supported and we feel we would like to have the same experience on any platform, since that's what made the app successful. Latest Android has much better support for that, but then it limits our market to the latest Android versions, and we've seen that adoption of newer software releases is pretty slow.

We've also looked at feedback from other developers, and the general feeling is that it's difficult to make money on Android. Be it because of rampant piracy (something Google addressed in the latest Android by finally allowing encrypted apps), or because the average Android users doesn't expect to pay much for apps. We're on the business/billing side so the latter might not be as much of a concern.

For us, porting to anything other than Mac Desktop would entail a full rewrite. It would consume a lot of time and resources so we need to at the very least do our due diligence and at least get the feeling we can recoup the investment.

As Android matures and the adoption of newer versions grow, we'll revisit that decision. Obviously, if Google wants to send us a paid-for intern and some hardware over, the entire cost factor could be reduced enough to where making a port would be a no brainier.