What If We Regulated Guns and Ammunition Like We Regulate Abortion?

[ChumpDumper]

Oh please. In many cases(admittedly, not all) Medicaid or the state pays for it.

Source? Thanks.

How many is many? The impression from your initial post is that we should just assume it's largely a free procedure.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Medicaid paying for abortions isn't something to be a happy about, but I'll certainly take medicaid paying for an abortion over the mother (who's obviously dirt poor since she can't afford insurance or an abortion) having a kid who's gonna be another welfare check and another government dependent. Like it or not, medicaid paying for abortions saves taxpayers money.

[CosmicCowboy]

Like I said, chumpster...your answers were just a google click away if you really wanted to know and not just be an ankle biter.

[CosmicCowboy]

Medicaid paying for abortions isn't something to be a happy about, but I'll certainly take medicaid paying for an abortion over the mother (who's obviously dirt poor since she can't afford insurance or an abortion) having a kid who's gonna be another welfare check and another government dependent. Like it or not, medicaid paying for abortions saves taxpayers money.

I agree with you. I'm all for terminating pregnancies in poor people...It's a great investment...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

[ChumpDumper]

Like I said, chumpster...your answers were just a google click away if you really wanted to know and not just be an ankle biter.

Like I said, ComicCowboy...your claim, your burden of proof.

[CosmicCowboy]

Like I said, ComicCowboy...your claim, your burden of proof.

OK, proven then, ankle biter.

[Th'Pusher]

Jeez. Why don't you and chump do your own research? Yes, the Hyde amendment restricted the previous policy of medicaid paying for all abortions if they qualified by income but all 50 states have some exceptions where medicaid covers the cost of abortions. in almost half the states (not Texas, of course) the States have greatly expanded coverage where if they qualify by income their abortions are covered by medicaid.

That funding has to come from the state IIRC.

[ElNono]

Jeez. Why don't you and chump do your own research? Yes, the Hyde amendment restricted the previous policy of medicaid paying for all abortions if they qualified by income but all 50 states have some exceptions where medicaid covers the cost of abortions. in almost half the states (not Texas, of course) the States have greatly expanded coverage where if they qualify by income their abortions are covered by medicaid.

Not trolling, just asking how many are many. The 'biggest' figure I could find was 31%... and the 'smallest': under 100 procedures funded by medicaid/state aid a year. Either case strike me as a minority.

[ChumpDumper]

Not trolling, just asking how many are many. The 'biggest' figure I could find was 31%... and the 'smallest': under 100 procedures funded by medicaid/state aid a year. Either case strike me as a minority.

Right.

Neither of us are trolling. Quit being so insecure and just source these things you claim to be easily found facts.

[Koolaid_Man]

what would happen if gun purchasing, licensing, and access were treated with the same fervor as restricting a woman's right to choose. Why can't we create a Targeted Regulation of Ammunition Providers? How can a state that makes a woman wait 72 hours after talking to a doctor before she can have an abortion allow a person to purchase a handgun the second an "instant background check" comes back clean? How does it seem reasonable that I receive about 4000 locations for "gun shops in Mississippi," yet the state offers only one clinic where a woman can end an unwanted pregnancy?

What if for every regulation on clinics and providers, termination methods or informed consent mandate, an equal bill was proposed to regulate the firearms industry? While trying to access a gun shop, the customer will need to first navigate his or her way past sidewalk counselors who will be offering pamphlets or maybe even large posters showing what the victims of gun crimes look like. On a good day, it may just be someone imploring the customer to be more responsible, that a weapon isn't the answer. Other days there may be more zealous counselors who unfortunately might call them names, shout, perhaps even try to block their access to the store in an attempt to start a conversation.

No gun or ammunition purchase could be completed until a potential customer speaks to a shop owner, then returns home and comes back to the shop a minimum of 24 hours later (72 hours if you live in Utah). Guns can only be purchased in stores dedicated directly to the seling of firearms and ammunition, and obtained from sellers with full legal arms licensing and certification as well as a proper professional background, such as former military or police officers. The gun shops themselves should sell only guns and gun supplies, and may not be a part of any other store such as department or sporting goods store. However it also must ensure that it is the full size and scope in layout and building plan of any other retail store, despite not needing the additional space or equipment.

A customer must provide the gun seller with the reason he or she is purchasing the gun, as well as sit down with the seller to tell him or her if anyone may be pressuring the customer into purchasing a gun. The seller will need to determine if the customer may feel unsafe and remind the potential customer that there are in fact other protection options.

In South Dakota, a customer would also have to go visit an outside organization before completing the handgun or ammunition purchase. The outside group will simply be checking to ensure that the potential gun owner is making the right decision. Unfortunately, there may be some strong-arming to try to talk him or her out of continuing the purchase, and either way the outside group will now have personal information about the customer and his or her intent to buy a weapon.

Many other states, on the other hand, will provide the shop owner with a script to be read to the customer before final payment and exchange of goods, reminding him or her that a gun is a dangerous weapon and repeating the names of each mass shooting in the last 12 months. Some states may even require customers to listen to a description of a recent shooting, although that can be bypassed if it is watched 24 hours in advance via website or phone recording.
Regardless of all of these steps, and whether the weapon is in the end obtained legally, the shop owner would still be held liable for any injuries that occur from the purchased gun or ammunition. The owner could be sued not just by the person who purchased the gun, but any relatives would also acquire the right to sue should any unintended violence occur at the hands of the purchaser.

If it's so easy to regulate abortion out of existence under the guise of protecting the women who are legally enacting their right to privacy, why can't we regulate guns just enough to ensure that 20 schoolkids can't be slaughtered in time it takes to sing the alphabet?

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/articl...ality+Check%29

I would require the gun store owner to perform a DRE on each gun buyer, at time of application and then upon delivery, while video recording all DREs to be sent to FBI.

you don't go far enough...there's a red-neck fire-arms cold war that's been ongoing for quite some time in America....there's only 2 reasons for it...

1.) To try and overthrow the government
2.) Preparing for a race war

we need to mobilize around this tragedy...feeling sorrow, pain, and anguishfor the victims won't do a dam thing..they're dead and gone it's high- time for legislation...to for Obama to go Mao Tse-Tung on the repubs...

now these aren't 100% foolproof but it's a start...this is for the law abiding...those who are already criminals a separate more severe process is required...one that Hitler himself would be proud of. I will discuss that one later...for those of us that are generally law-abiding:

1st we need to start by requiring a psychological profile for all would be gun owners. Under go a government issued test to see if they are high risk...just like with other responsibilities that can mean life and death such as driving a car or flying a plane...you have to under go a test to prove your competence and then you're licensed.

2nd if you have someone in your home that is a mental threat or danger then you have to show / prove demonstrate actions you've taken to ensure they can't access your firearm else you should not qualify

3rd for those who already own assault weapons and they're hiding them...I say simply stop the sale of bullets...essentially rendering them EOL sooner rather than later.

We also need a million gun reform march on Washington..we need a ground swell of support we need to start a movement to defeat the NRA

all good ideas by Koolaid_Man

[CosmicCowboy]

Right.

Neither of us are trolling. Quit being so insecure and just source these things you claim to be easily found facts.

Actually, if you go back to the original point it was about comparing abortion rights to gun rights. If the government is giving free abortions I want free guns. If you weren't so eager to bite my socks you would have caught that I was simply playing with the concept.

[CosmicCowboy]

Actually, the government giving out assault rifles to all adult males is a proven concept that works. Of course, you are too lazy to google which government issues SIG SG550's to every adult male.

[ElNono]

Actually, if you go back to the original point it was about comparing abortion rights to gun rights. If the government is giving free abortions I want free guns. If you weren't so eager to bite my socks you would have caught that I was simply playing with the concept.

Government does give free guns to qualified adults... that's why I didn't quite get the comparison.

[CosmicCowboy]

Government does give free guns to qualified adults... that's why I didn't quite get the comparison.

I'm talking about civilians, not just police or active military.

[ChumpDumper]

Actually, if you go back to the original point it was about comparing abortion rights to gun rights. If the government is giving free abortions I want free guns. If you weren't so eager to bite my socks you would have caught that I was simply playing with the concept.

I know what your original point was. You just spouted of a bunch of stuff as fact and I asked for a source, which you still haven't provided. I don't' know why you're still whining about it -- just give your source.

[CosmicCowboy]

I know what your original point was. You just spouted of a bunch of stuff as fact and I asked for a source, which you still haven't provided.

The conversation has moved on. Try to keep up. If the topic interests you then google is your friend.

[mavs>spurs]

You stupid . We don't restrict abortion. If you want to compare the abortion argument with gun arguments then we should be arguing that the government should buy my guns for me.

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[ChumpDumper]

The conversation has moved on.

We're still conversing about it right now.

Try to keep up. If the topic interests you then google is your friend.

It's OK, we can conclude you made it up. I understand you would want to run away from it quickly.

[mavs>spurs]

Actually, the government giving out assault rifles to all adult males is a proven concept that works. Of course, you are too lazy to google which government issues SIG SG550's to every adult male.

switzerland, low crime rate great place to live. they actually have sound currency too.

[ElNono]

I'm talking about civilians, not just police or active military.

Police are still civilians. They're just qualified to receive free guns and ammo from the government.

[ChumpDumper]

Man, Alex Jones talking points are flying all over this forum today.

[Koolaid_Man]

Children of all races always respond well to President Obama. How children act around a stranger tells you as much about the stranger as about the children themselves. I love how comfortable little children are with our president. He is such a good man, and if we aren't, WE SHOULD BE so proud to have a person like him as our president.

What a precious picture..It goes to show that racists aren't born they are bred....Stop the madness folks

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm looking forward to when he and Mic e are running a daycare for underprivileged children instead of being POTUS and First Lady.
















Like that will ever happen.....

keep drinking that koolaid.

[spursncowboys]