The Hate Filled Republican Party...

[Joe Chalupa]

When he questioned that Kerry won't defend the USA or wants to give the military what they want when Cheney himself proposed many military cuts.

[Bandit2981]

The thing that people seem to forget is that Fox News is one ing channel. You have CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, and most major print media outlets (NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post, Boston Globe, Newsweek, Time, etc) which can scarcely be projected as objective.

how can you tell if a certain media is biased to one side or another, or reporting facts that go against what you want to believe? what is the criteria for determining such a thing? depending on who you ask, or what you read, data can be interpreted to mean anything you want if done skillfully

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

That's a great question Badit, but liberals have no problem tagging Fox News as biased.

Typical liberal double standard... "it's okay for us to do it, but if the conservatives do it, they're not being fair/honest/objective/haven't defined it right/etc."

[Tommy Duncan]

Open your eyes. It's not hard to read the editorial page of the NY Times (or LA Times or Boston Globe or...) as well as most of the major news articles in that paper to understand the viewpoint espoused by that paper.

I've done that more than I should have in my life.

The only major paper editorial page that is as consistently right of center as the NY Times and the rest of the papers I've mentioned are left of center is The Wall Street Journal.

[Bandit2981]

im not pointing fingers at anything, im just trying to see what determines whether something is objective or biased

It's not hard to read the editorial page of the NY Times

you're basing your claims for bias on editorials? i guess we're talking about apples and oranges, i was referring to actual news reporting, not opinions

[Joe Chalupa]

I think the problem is that if a media outlet has editorials that don't love Dubya, then they are a liberal biased outlet.

If you don't like what you are reading or watching or listening to turn the page, channel or radio dial and quit your ing.

That's what I do sometimes when Sean or Rush or Ann get on the boob tube or the radio.

I don't subsribe to conservative rags either.

But I do watch FoxNews for the babes.

[Bandit2981]

who's your favorite joe? :eyebrow

[Joe Chalupa]

I like Kryian or what ever her name is.
She has some great gams!!

[Bandit2981]

dari alexander makes me feel tingly down under :dog

[Spurminator]

The entire NY Times paper is the Editorial Page.... they're just not all labelled as such.

[Yonivore]

"When he questioned that Kerry won't defend the USA or wants to give the military what they want when Cheney himself proposed many military cuts."

Okay, Joe, you're just plain being intellectually dishonest.

Vice President Cheney's characterizations were based on Kerry's Senate voting record and were suppositions based on his 20 year voting record against all thing military.

The cuts then Secretary Cheney proposed were made pursuant to a mandate, handed down by a Demoncratic Congress, to make cuts. He was merely proposing the best cuts he could under the cir stances.

Do you really believe Secretary Cheney woke up one morning and said, damn, I've got too much money in my budget?

[Tommy Duncan]

you're basing your claims for bias on editorials? i guess we're talking about apples and oranges, i was referring to actual news reporting, not opinions

It sets the tone for the entire paper and when you read the news articles they clearly reflect that tone.

Try reading it sometime.

[Yonivore]

You want reporting bias?

How 'bout the AP, today, reporting that President Bush "did nothing" while a crowd, assembled to hear him speak, booed at the news that former President Clinton had fallen ill. Unfortunately for the AP, audio recording technology had been invented a few decades before the event and they were forced to retract the statement once it was learned the boos were actually cheers of encouragement for the sick former President.

Then, there was Reuters yesterday, reporting that John Kerry "bristled" at Vice President Cheney's attacks on his patriotism in his acceptance speech. I watched the speech and then I read the speeches text. Vice President Cheney attacked his voting record. He commended him for his service in Vietnam.

That's the kind of media bias I'm talking about. And, the editorials don't help.

Plus the fact that 3 in 5 reporters, nationwide, polled as voting for Kerry and 9 in 12 inside-the-beltway reporters did the same.

Intentional or not, those kinds of odds, can't produce unbiased, objective, reporting.

[Nbadan]

Intentional or not, those kinds of odds, can't produce unbiased, objective, reporting

Your right, It can't when most print editors who decide what goes into print are rich republicans working for a conglomeration filled with other rich conservative republicans. There are exceptions, but those are the 'liberal' papers discounted by most conspiracy-minded conservatives, especially in this forum.

[Nbadan]

Judge for yourself here. Do you hear some boos amongst the clapping?

Republicans Boo Clinton Best Wishes

[Yonivore]

Nope. I hear cheers and "wooes!"

Thanks for the post. And, I saw it on Lehrer last night as well...coming away with the same conclusion.

The reporter "wanted" to hear boos. I think you did too.

[travis2]

And this surprises y'all? More intellectual dishonesty and flat-out lying from the left.

Face it...to be a liberal you have to be able to lie to yourself AND to others.

[Samurai Jane]

Those are definitely not boos. Anybody that's ever been to a ball game and heard the crowd booing the refs knows the difference.

[Yonivore]

What's more, after watching the video..it's even more puzzling that the AP would characterize the President as having "done nothing to stop them." He stood respectfully while the crowd gave the former President an encouraging show of support.

[Tommy Duncan]

Judge for yourself here. Do you hear some boos amongst the clapping?

No. I saw the video yesterday evening and definitely did not hear any booing.

[xrayzebra]

Would you all please hold it down I am sitting around
hating...

:tyson :tyson :tyson :tyson :tyson :tyson ::pc2 :pc 2:pc2 :pc 2

but I love them:

Now I must go out and question Kerry's patriotism, poison some
water and find a few kids to starve.......

Everyone have a nice day.

[Hook Dem]

Dan....you have the nerve to say this after the Michael Moore fiasco???????

[Nbadan]

Here is some more love from a Republican delegate to a N.Y.C. protestor

Can you feel the love?

[Hook Dem]

Dan....Gonna ignore my statement on Michael Moore??????? You sure are getting desperate now!

[Nbadan]

The hate from the right continues...

Drunken Bush supporters heckle 70 year old woman. She had several throat surgeries.

"throughout Senator Kerry's speech...There were approximately fifty Bush supporters, including a very vocal group of about ten who were drinking lots of Busch beer."

"The Bush supporters did not let up shouting while an elderly woman who had several throat surgeries tried to tell her tale, prompting Senator Kerry to say to the cameras and the crowd, "While the Bush people were rudely shouting...a 70-year old woman was trying to tell the story of how she has to go out and work because she needs to take pills."

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