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we only have 1 center if we trade rasho or nazr
TiM is a PF he said he hates and refuses to play C
If Scola arrives at next training camp, he will need a reduced-effectiveness rookie year to fit into the NBA, and above all, the Spurs system. Spurs need to find a way to hold onto Rasho at least to the ASB, or next summer.
we only have 1 center if we trade rasho or nazr
TiM is a PF he said he hates and refuses to play C
Rasho For Life!! Sorry Nazr But Rasho Is My Favorite
I can agree with that, Rasho may have the better D but Nazr is more athletic as in more aggressive, with the proper practice in training camp Nazr will surpase Rasho. I think he really needs to hit the practice gym hard this summer to work on his catching and defense. At this point i still say Nazr over Rasho though.
This is exactly my line of thinking. The center that is the worse of the 2 is probably trade fodder.
Nazr. He put up similar stats as Rasho in less minutes per game while being transported into a new team about, what, 3/4's into the season? Rasho's been here two years. And with so little time on the team, it was Nazr who has started in the PLAYOFFS a year in which we won the championship.
I know people will say, "Rasho was injured and Pop didn't want to ruin the rotation." But that to you testifies to Nazr's quality. If Parker was injured and Beno had to start in the playoffs and Parker got better, do you honestly think Beno would still be starting? Nazr has proven of similar value as Rasho without even HALF a year. And Pop even said it himself. "Without Nazr, we wouldn't even be this far." Look at the series he had in Seattle. He WAS the X-factor in that series.
On the issue of Nazr's defense, I have no doubt in my mind that it will improve. When Rasho came over here, was he ever known as a defensive stopper? It took him time to learn the Spurs complex defensive schemes and he acclimated quite well. Give Nazr time and he will learn as well. Also, Nazr's supposed lack of defense didn't hurt us too bad this year as we won the championship.
If the Spurs want to save bucks, all they have to do is to wait a year when Nazr becomes a free agent. I would guess that was part of the original plan with the Malik-Nazr trade.
The Spurs could use a long 3, but can make do with Bowen, Manu, Devin, and Brent guarding 3s. There are not many minutes for another swingman so I don't see the Spurs spending MLE-or-higher salary for another one. You also have to think about whether Viktor Sanikidze will be able to fill that role.
I don't know what makes anyone think Scola is going to displace either of these guys as a heavy minutes contributor...
The Spurs D is built around shotblocking...Scola can't do it...
IMO, he's also a weak rebounder, even by Euroleague standards...
He's an offensive player who is limited and undersized on D...Like Malik...only without the rebounding...
It's very possible the Spurs want to keep Rasho and Nazr...I guess it depends on how much Nazr wants...keep in mind...Nazr has never had as good of a season as the one Rasho had in his FA year.
1.Rasho is playing Eurobasket this year with and offensive center Brezec (Charlotte). Slovenian NT will now be mostly an offensive mashine, so Rasho will have to score a lot and play with no softness whatsoever. This is proclaimed as his last and finest game to be played internationaly. So he will absolutly be a better guy after this.
2. Nazr was high on the cloud #9. With so many changes he played his ass off and being accepted with the whole team he mostly played great. He didn't really have a bad game. Mostly he was controlled by his nerves. With season coming, he is in a different position.
3.This is an awsome year, and it is not even over! Belgrade, we will be your champs!
Sweet photo, spurster. Anyone know if a poster is available?
I only would trade Rasho if its
a) for another center
b) Nazr is signed longterm
If you trade Rasho for a small player an Nazr decides to leave next summer, the spurs would be in trouble... I would keep him as long Nazr isn't extended...
Amen, Nazr seems like a stand-up guy but he's only human and he'll want to get paid. If Rasho gets shipped out and Nazr becomes a free agent he'll be in a position to squeeze the Spurs pretty hard and hurt their cap flexibility.
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One thing to realize is that Nazr might have a very high trade value right now. He's better than the Dampiers of the world and is coming off of a championship where he was the starting center. With one year on his contract, that gives flexibility to a team that would trade for him. If the Spurs believe that Horry, Rasho, Scola and Mahinmi are good enough in the short term and long term ... they could listen if teams call about Mohammed.
Part of the reason why the Spurs are here is they don't over value players on their own team. If a team is dying to get their hands on a center and comes knocking on the Spurs door, the Spurs would be smart enough to dangle Nazr if the return is great enough.
I still don't know which is the rumble and which is the stumble.
I still don't know which is the rumble and which is the stumble.
Me either.
Now if one of them was "fumble" then I would have know it was Nazr.
clearly pop is the bumble
I'm with Sparky on this one.
The Spurs have been economicaly prudent and it has paid off. They got Manu really cheap and Parker somewhat cheap. Now its time to open their wallets to keep the SPurs as compe ive as possible and do the necessary adjustments to this team to allow it become a Dynasty.
Holt, you are worth millions, man! This is a one in a lifetime opportunity.
Too bad we didn't offer the Suns Nazr before the Knicks offered them Thomas...
I'd have taken QRich as the future SF on this team, not to mention that little guard the Knicks got out of them...Yeah I know Q choked...but everyone forgets the best part of his game is his post up game...he's never been thought of as a pure 3 shooter before last season...
And the Suns are the only team that could be that desperate for a C...anyone else will probably just wait till he becomes a FA...
The thing is that Rasho will not improve and will remain the same. Mohammed is more athletic and is capable of having a couple of breakout games. He averaged a double double when he was in New York. He was only with the Spurs for half a season and in the Sonics series he turned out to be huge.
'You take a rumble from the stumble and mix it up with the bumble...'
Bwahahahhahahahahhahahhahahhahahahah!!!!!!!!!
Me either.
Now if one of them was "fumble" then I would have know it was Nazr.
Some things just strike me as funny and that did.
Hey don't let Nazr off the hook - he's got one of the worse pair of hands in the league. It's amazing that a guy that boards as well as he does, has such terrible hands. What's up with the excessive pump fakes - CATCH & DUNK!
OK. Now that I've ragged on him a bit. I'd still take him back at our 5 slot and would resign him for years to come. He can only get better and he has the kind of aggressiveness that Rasho lacks.
The thing is that I don't think the Spurs should bank on Nazr's improvement. If they keep both and decide to get rid of one after seeing them through training camp, I wouldn't love it, but it would be a smart move.
If they want to lose one in preparation for cap clearing or whatever this summer, they should give up Nazr.
We know what we're getting with Rasho, and we know we can count on his D, which is more important to the Spurs system than his offense (which is ok - he's got a decent jumper and can help to spread the floor). He may get more aggressive - I base that on his play right before the ankle injury - he'd really stepped it up. We've lived with that for awhile now, and could continue to do so, especially if Scola can slide and is as good as he is supposed to be.
But Nazr? What he know of him is that he's aggressive, but doesn't have a great jump shot, fumbled a lot of passes, pumpfakes, doesn't box out, doesn't get the defensive system yet, and may or may not improve any of those things given time. However, he's done all right, and has probably earned himself a pretty good contract as a champion in a position that is coveted.
So, that is the long way of working out that I agree with timvp - if they are going to shop out a big man, Nazr's the one to shop this summer.
I see the Spurs trying to extend Nazr this summer, and depending on how those negotiations go will determine how this whole situation plays out.
If they can come to something reasonable, he stays and Rasho goes. If his agent gets greedy, he goes on the block.
As an aside, I have a hunch that Holt isn't going to be as worried about the luxury tax as we have known him to be.
The reason? The new CBA stipulates ALL teams get an equal cut of the luxury tax revenue.
I'd have to take some time to put pen to paper on that, but I bet you could figure out roughly what you know other teams are going to be over the lux tax, how much revenue is coming to each team, and spend up to that amount over the tax.
Example: say there's 120 million in luxury tax revenue, divided to 30 teams means each team gets 4 million coming back to them. I could see Holt and Co. easily willing to spend within that artificial lux limit, and I could even see them willing to go over it by a small amount if need be.
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