Update: Gay to Raptors, Prince to Grizzlies, Calderon to Pistons

[TheSkeptic]

They did draft "that surefire hall of famer" Chris Bosh.

...And then failed to construct a decent team.

For myself, I actually thought Wade was a better prospect at the time. But Bosh at least panned out so I'm not nearly as bitter over that as I am the drafting Rafael Araujo for example.

[cd021]

...And then failed to construct a decent team.

For myself, I actually thought Wade was a better prospect at the time. But Bosh at least panned out so I'm not nearly as bitter over that as I am the drafting Rafael Araujo for example.

For the record I don't exactly thing Bosh is an HOF. I was referencing that article from earlier this week. Bosh really didn't pan out he lead the team to 1 playoff spot and didn't play (If i remember right) He was just an high scorer on a bad team, great players have impacts bigger than that. Lebron lead his team to the finals with Andy being the second best player. A.I lead his team to the Finals as well, with similarly talent lacking teammates around him . Granted he is playing well as a 3rd option now, but still leaves alot to be desired.

[look_at_g_shred]

So it seems raptors and grizzlies are looking for a third team to get involved to take Calderon..

[TheSkeptic]

For the record I don't exactly thing Bosh is an HOF. I was referencing that article from earlier this week. Bosh really didn't pan out he lead the team to 1 playoff spot and didn't play (If i remember right) He was just an high scorer on a bad team, great players have impacts bigger than that. Lebron lead his team to the finals with Andy being the second best player. A.I lead his team to the Finals as well, with similarly talent lacking teammates around him . Granted he is playing well as a 3rd option now, but still leaves alot to be desired.

Oh I've followed the Raptors for years and you remember right. I completely agree with what you. The problem with Bosh is that, well, he's smart and pretty good but a little bit delusional. Has been for a while.

He's clearly not on the level of guys like Lebron, Dirk, Duncan, Manu, etc. I actually don't think he should get in but if he keeps playing with Lebron I can see him getting in (unfortunately) but not as a first ballot HOF talent. Standards for the hall are slipping imo.

[racm]

Memphis is scarier when they trade Gay away IMO

Imagine them starting Arthur, Randolph, and Gasol with Davis as their first big off the bench.

[spurraider21]

Memphis is scarier when they trade Gay away IMO

Imagine them starting Arthur, Randolph, and Gasol with Davis as their first big off the bench.

Heck no. Arthur thrives as a 4 because of his pick and pop ability, since bigs aren't likely to follow him out that far. If he plays the 3, wing defenders are much more likely to close out on him. Gay gives the Grizz a legit perimeter scoring threat, who can pull up off the dribble and nail jumpers. Plus he's pretty clutch and gives them easy buckets in transition... which they desperately need as a team with offensive deficiencies.

[look_at_g_shred]

Heck no. Arthur thrives as a 4 because of his pick and pop ability, since bigs aren't likely to follow him out that far. If he plays the 3, wing defenders are much more likely to close out on him. Gay gives the Grizz a legit perimeter scoring threat, who can pull up off the dribble and nail jumpers. Plus he's pretty clutch and gives them easy buckets in transition... which they desperately need as a team with offensive deficiencies.

I thought the trade invovled Arthur to Toronto as well...

[Mel_13]

Latest from Woj:

The final hurdle for the salary dump of Memphis Grizzlies forward Rudy Gay to the Toronto Raptors hinges on finding a third team to absorb the expiring contract of Raptors guard Jose Calderon, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--gr...033758281.html

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA Memphis and Toronto pushing closer on deal to send Rudy Gay to the Raptors, sources tell Y! Sports. Raps would part with Calderon and Davis.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
There have been scenarios today that include third teams, and also where Grizzlies and Raptors could do deal straight up, sources tell Y!

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Raptors and Grizzlies are discussing framework of trade with respective ownership groups now, sources tell Y! Deal could be done tonight.

[elemento]

A few things

The Grizz has to take a starting SF from a 3rd team, otherwise this trade doesn't make sense for them. I doubt they will start Pondexter.

Davis is a good prospect, but behind Z-Bo and Arthur? They're thinking ahead way too early or they have another move in mind.

I wonder which team will be the 3rd team. Maybe the Mavs getting Calderon and sending Marion + stuff to Memphis.

[Spurs da champs]

Memphis is stupid.

[LittleCriminal]

Could the Spurs be that 3rd team... I mean, Lamont is sitting out tonight's game (sand in VAgina) and playblair is M.I.A.

[Chinook]

I'd be surprised if the Grizzlies give up Gay without at least getting back Ross. Ed Davis is nice, but they really lack wing scoring.

[Mel_13]

A few things

The Grizz has to take a starting SF from a 3rd team, otherwise this trade doesn't make sense for them. I doubt they will start Pondexter.

Davis is a good prospect, but behind Z-Bo and Arthur? They're thinking ahead way too early or they have another move in mind.

I wonder which team will be the 3rd team. Maybe the Mavs getting Calderon and sending Marion + stuff to Memphis.

Ot they've concluded that their team isn't a real contender and getting their financial house in order trumps any adverse effects on this year's prospects.

[TD 21]

They'll probably be getting Kleiza and Anderson back as well and they could be getting an SF back for Calderon, too.

Even if they're getting a 1st on top of that and get decent value for Calderon, without Ross, it's not enough. People can criticize Gay all they want, but they'll be hard pressed to find a better wing player, because they're too good to get a quality draft pick, few of that caliber are available in free agency and when they are, Memphis is not exactly known to be a prime destination. Davis is a nice prospect, but with Arthur in tow, I don't see how he get's more than 12-15 mpg max.

On the flip side, because Ross is not in the trade, Johnson and Davis are somewhat redundant and Toronto is also not exactly known to be a prime destination for free agents either, it's a worthwhile gamble for the Raptors. Because it's them and Colangelo, it'll probably blow up in their face though.

[Mel_13]

They'll probably be getting Kleiza and Anderson back as well and they could be getting an SF back for Calderon, too.

Even if they're getting a 1st on top of that and get decent value for Calderon, without Ross, it's not enough. People can criticize Gay all they want, but they'll be hard pressed to find a better wing player, because they're too good to get a quality draft pick, few of that caliber are available in free agency and when they are, Memphis is not exactly known to be a prime destination. Davis is a nice prospect, but with Arthur in tow, I don't see how he get's more than 12-15 mpg max.

On the flip side, because Ross is not in the trade, Johnson and Davis are somewhat redundant and Toronto is also not exactly known to be a prime destination for free agents either, it's a worthwhile gamble for the Raptors. Because it's them and Colangelo, it'll probably blow up in their face though.

[LakerHater]

@ESPNSteinLine: Pistons have had interest in Calderon all season & have two SFs to help MEM fill Gay void: Prince & Maggette

[ace3g]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine Going online now: ESPN sources say Grizzlies and Raps have deal in place to swap Rudy Gay and Hamed Haddadi for Ed Davis and Jose Calderon

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Sources say deal will morph to include third team to take Calderon, w/Detroit at front of line to land Spaniard after chasing him all season

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Third team not yet in stone but Pistons have had interest in Calderon all season & have two SFs to help MEM fill Gay void: Prince & Maggette

[Maddog]

Hmm, the Spurs need a backup point
Too bad nothing of interest to give up....
(Oops just realized Calderon makes 10 Mill Yikes)

[LakerHater]

ESPN link to Grizz/Raps Rudy Gay trade in principle ... with Detroit or Dallas looming as possible third team in: http://es.pn/XT6HzE

[swaggerjackson]

Not doubting that it is going to happen, but they still need a team to accept Calderon. I hope it does happen, but why is everyone up in arms right now. I mean breaking news on ESPN.com/nba seems premature imo. Atleast until the trade is set in stone, I am not getting excited.

[TD 21]

Even if it's Prince they're getting, him and Davis is not enough for Gay and essentially Calderon. He's an overzealous chucker, but why they're not at least getting Anderson thrown him (with Gay, Fields, who they're stuck with, DeRozan and Ross, the Raptors no longer need him anyway), I don't understand.

It doesn't make sense to trade for Davis and play him 12-15 minutes, so I'm thinking they might just trade Randolph and basically completely re-build, which is stupid given their lack of picks and them not being a prime free agent destination. And I seriously doubt Gasol and Conley have enough cache around the league for a big name free agent to be attracted to their situation.

[Blake]

When is the last time the Raptors made a good decision?

in before an lol Bonner gets posted

[LakerHater]

The Raptors, sources said, are expected to take on Grizzlies reserve center Hamed Haddadi in addition to Gay. The Dallas Mavericks are the other most likely landing spot for Calderon, but sources said Dallas is resistant to parting with Vince Carter, Memphis' prime target on the Mavs' roster

[EJFischer]

Bad news for the Spurs. Davis has similar per-minute stats to Randolph. What I don't understand is why MEM isn't just keeping Calderon too, unless there are cap reasons. Calderon is way better than any of the players they're rumored to be flipping him for. But hey, if it means they give Tayshaun Prince minutes over Ed Davis, I'm all for it.