Can TP adjust his game to remain effective into his early and mid 30s?

[freetiago]

and the one guy they had leading them is a top 50 player all time hof talent in his prime back in the 70s before the nba was relevant
from the 80s on it was multiple stars on the same team
and the 04 pistons had 4 all stars on that team with one of the best defensive players of all time anchoring it and one of the best defenses of all time
if you think a 33 year old parker can have a Dirk 2011 run carrying the spurs to a le..

in 3 years
Portland will be a contender if they stay healthy all they need is a bench
Clippers will still be a contender if chris paul signs (99.9% he will)
OKCs guys will actually just start entering their prime
Nuggets will be a fringe contender still barring a trade
Pelicans look like it will be a contender building around Davis/Gordon/top 5 pick this year
Memphis can still possibly be a contender
Golden States players will start hitting their primes and will be lethal if they stay healthy

and thats just the west

and once again you and this other clown just pick one part of my post and try hard to disprove it even though its probably the least relevant part
you still havent addressed the other 70% of that post
im still waiting on that guy to list what max caliber free agents were signing in 2014 with our valuable cap space

[Paranoid Pop]

and the one guy they had leading them is a top 50 player all time hof talent in his prime back in the 70s before the nba was relevant
from the 80s on it was multiple stars on the same team
and the 04 pistons had 4 all stars on that team with one of the best defensive players of all time anchoring it and one of the best defenses of all time
if you think a 33 year old parker can have a Dirk 2011 run carrying the spurs to a le..

in 3 years
Portland will be a contender if they stay healthy all they need is a bench
Clippers will still be a contender if chris paul signs (99.9% he will)
OKCs guys will actually just start entering their prime
Nuggets will be a fringe contender still barring a trade
Pelicans look like it will be a contender building around Davis/Gordon/top 5 pick this year
Memphis can still possibly be a contender
Golden States players will start hitting their primes and will be lethal if they stay healthy

and thats just the west

and once again you and this other clown just pick one part of my post and try hard to disprove it even though its probably the least relevant part
you still havent addressed the other 70% of that post
im still waiting on that guy to list what max caliber free agents were signing in 2014 with our valuable cap space

Your first point was that he will retire with Duncan when he said himself he's gonna play longer than that... Doesn't have to be with the Spurs and no one expects to be favorites or even contenders once Duncan retires.

[freetiago]

All the reasons listed is why i believe he would retire with Duncan
3 years is a long time and a lot can change
injuries/mileage and a bad/average team
itll be like pierce with the celtics
you can trade him for cents on the dollar or he can suffer through bad times and end his career on a lownote when he deserves to go out on top with the franchise he helped make
the difference will be where will parker be in 3 years
hes already defying what is normally expected from guys who had games similar to his who were hall of fame talents
i dont think he can be a top tier starter in that time with all the new crop of good guards coming in
i think his career with the spurs/nba would end with duncans but he could still play a bit overseas
George Gervin did the same really but he wasnt an icon in a foreign country

and it looks like chazley, man in black, and capek actually believe a duncanless spur team can still be a contender

[xtremesteven33]

How far this site has fallen....

Great not in your eyes of Great but in the comparison to the all time greats in NBA history. I know his role on the Spurs team isnt designed to win a regular season MVP award but even if Pop were to let him I dont think he could win it if he tried.

Thats what I mean by Good, sometimes great.

[Richie]

Retiring with Duncan? That's legitimately the stupidest thing I've ever read on this forum. The guy will be 32 when Duncan retires.

Parker will likely be coming to the end of his elite days then, but he will still be a great player. No reason he couldn't play of until his mid-late 30s on a contender. Hopefully we can trade him to an up and coming team who will be a challenger and could use some veteran leadership.

I'd be happy to see him win rings with another franchise if we decide to blow it up after Duncan and Manu retires.

[freetiago]

32 or 33 with 14/15 seasons played with deep playoff runs and nothing left to prove
and what contender will want parker
pretty mcuh every team in the nba is set with their PG of the future and theres a huge influx of talented point guards always coming in the league
no team would really need Tony and if he did go to a contender it would be backing up a younger PG which i dont see him doing

so tell me how is that stupid reasoning

[spursfan09]

Yeah no team would want a veteran point guard with 3 championships and leadership capabilities. Who also is also very coach able and will do what is asked of him.

[Richie]

32 or 33 with 14/15 seasons played with deep playoff runs and nothing left to prove
and what contender will want parker
pretty mcuh every team in the nba is set with their PG of the future and theres a huge influx of talented point guards always coming in the league
no team would really need Tony and if he did go to a contender it would be backing up a younger PG which i dont see him doing

so tell me how is that stupid reasoning

Of course a contender would want Parker, that's nonsense. Could you imagine Parker on this same Knicks team in 2 years? Melo, Chandler and Stoudamire are all signed for the 14/15 season, they would bend over backwards to get Parker on to that team for the final season.

Parker backing up a younger point guard? The guy is a legit Top 3 player in his position right now. In a couple years he might still be there, he might have fallen down to being merely a Top 10 point guard, but even then he will be valuable. You aren't putting enough importance on playoff experience or veteran leadership, and he is still young.

You say all the franchises have a point guard set, but that won't be the case in a few years. Trades happen, players get injured, lose form, or simply get shown up as playoff chokers. In a couple years, maybe Curry has retired from ankle problems.

, maybe the Bobcats draft a Tim Duncan-esque player in the next couple years and they need a point guard to lead them along with MKG and others. Maybe Favors, Hayward and Kanter become stars and need a point guard to put it all together. The Pacers are dying for a point guard right now. Maybe Toronto gets a couple good picks, there are any number of teams that could be up and coming and looking for a point guard in a few years.

Obviously the Cavs, Bulls etc... are set long term for point guards, but the idea that he will have no value to a contending team as a starter is frankly outrageous and moronic. Add to the fact that he is a bargain at $12.5m for the 14/15 season there will be a LOT of interest.

[Cry Havoc]

32 or 33 with 14/15 seasons played with deep playoff runs and nothing left to prove
and what contender will want parker
pretty mcuh every team in the nba is set with their PG of the future and theres a huge influx of talented point guards always coming in the league
no team would really need Tony and if he did go to a contender it would be backing up a younger PG which i dont see him doing

so tell me how is that stupid reasoning

You need to stop posting. Forever. Parker's the 2nd or 3rd best point in the league. Anyone outside of Chicago, OKC, LAC, and Cleveland would love him on their team. Seriously, stop posting here if all you're going to bring is these ridiculous takes with no factual backing.

pretty mcuh every team in the nba is set with their PG of the future

One of the most hilariously stupid statements I've ever read on Spurstalk. And that's saying a lot.

[freetiago]

the only contending team on that list is indiana
new york wont go that far in the luxury tax
bobcats have kemba who is quitely playing very well
all the teams that can turn into contenders
portland
new orleans
nuggets
milwaukee?
have point guards set

utah will not be a contender
detroit
toronto
orlando
washington
dallas
sacremento
phoenix
those teams wont be contenders either
detroit is the only one on that list who has a chance because of their frontcourt and theyve made it known they want to resign calderon

all the other team have young top tier guards and they wont surrender valuable assests for a year or two rental of tony parker
everyone in here is making huge what ifs that are big best case scenarios of what will actually happen
1) thinking spurs will still contend when duncan is done
2) think the spurs will sign max caliber free agents in the offseason
3) thinking parker doesnt have a resume as a playoff choker (pack the paint, put bigger defender on him, get outplayed by speedy claxton)
4) thinking parker will still be a top tier pg in his mid 30s worth 12.5 mil (max is what 13 million) when teams have good young PGs

and once again putting words into my post that i didnt say
i didnt say he wont be a valuable starter
i said teams wont need a 12 million starting point guard on the decline when they have point guards set
you seem to think a team like the nuggets would trade their young assests for tony and start him and bench ty lawson
why would they do that, its not worth it
guys like garnett and pierce still have market value because they play positions that arent deep with talent
the point guard depth in the nba grows every year and no names like jrue holidays are becoming elite guards

[timvp]

My brain hurts reading this thread. Parker is going to go from the best point guard in the league* to having no shot of finding a starting job in two years and there's no way to argue otherwise? Yeah, okay. RC Buford sucks because he has only found two Hall of Famers late in the draft? Wow........

As for the original point of this thread, I don't know the answer. If you asked me a half decade ago, I'd say Parker would be seeing the end of his career at around 30 to 31 since he's a speed dominant player and small, speed dominant players who can't jump have historically washed out at around that age. But times are achangin'. With advances in science/medicine, players are able to play longer. , look at TD and Ginobili. TD is having one of the greatest age-36 seasons of all-time. And Ginobili is probably an even better example. Sarunas Marciulionis, the player probably most comparable to Ginobili in playing style, was done at 28. Someone like Ginobili who goes so hard and puts his body on the line in every minute of every game shouldn't be thriving at age 35. But with science/medicine improvements (and Pop not overworking him), he's probably got another two or three years left in him if no major injury strikes.

So if Parker takes care of his body, avoids big injury, Pop keeps his minutes reasonable, his shooting keeps improving and his passing continues to get more and more elite, I'm not going to put anything past him. Could he still be a top five point guard at 35 years old? I would have laughed at that question a few years ago but today I think it might be possible.

[timvp]

^ I like how the Bobcats made his contenders list









*According to Gregg Popovich and Tim Duncan

[Cry Havoc]

Not to mention that Parker is the FASTEST guard in the league. Even when he slows down, he'll still be one of the fastest guards in the league.

[freetiago]

i didnt say bobcats were contenders
i said they have a good young point guard in kemba
RC buford also drafted parker/ginobili before the draft advanced and people started looking overseas
theyre wont be anymore manu ginobilis in the 2nd round
if a young ginobili was playing today he would be a lottery pick because of all the scouts overseas and the youtube era
and what are the chances of him drafting a true championship caliber player and not a good role player with a 20-30 pick
look at his history since 06
2011: Cory Joseph (29), Adam Hanga (59)
2010: James Anderson (20), Ryan Richards (49)
2009: DeJuan Blair (37), Jack McClinton (51), Nando De Colo (53)
2008: George Hill (26), Goran Dragic (45), James Gist (57)
2007: Tiago Splitter (28), Marcus Williams (33), Giorgos Printezis (58)
2006: Damir Markota (59)

Tiago is the best pick in that time and the only reason he fell was because he wanted to stay overseas
George hill is a good roleplayer but he isnt an elite player part of a featured core
indianas offense is ranked 29th with him running it despite having very talented players

Parker can find a starting job but all the contenders have very good starting point guards and he wont want to be part of a rebuild
the only possible team i can see without a point guard is the Lakers
and again a scenario that people believe will happen
why would a team like the nuggets trade their young assests and start a 33ish year old parker, most likely benching ty lawson

and even if he does start on a contender somehow the nba in 3 years will still most likely be OKC vs wherever Lebron is

[timvp]

including players the Spurs traded away before the pick was made and putting it on Buford.

I don't think you understand how the draft works. Outside of the lottery, players picked in that range have NBA career ~20% of the time. Players picked at the end of the first round have NBA career <10% of the time. In the second round, you're talking 1-3% of the time.

The Spurs traded away their pick in 2006. In 2007, Splitter has turned out to be a great pick. In 2008, George Hill was a great pick. In 2009, DeJuan Blair was a great pick even if it was always a given his knees would premature degenerate. De Colo is potentially a great pick. In 2010, James Anderson probably goes down as a great pick if he doesn't break his foot and go the way of Travis Outlaw, Roddy Buckets, etc. In 2011, Kawhi Leonard was a great pick (remember, players in that area only have a 20% shot of having an NBA career) and Cory Joseph looks like he could develop into a nice player (same with Bertans and Hanga).

You point to that stretch of draft picks as to indicate its weakness when it was actually a great stretch of drafting.






P.S.
Parker would start for every team in the NBA today. In a couple years, he'd still start for a large majority of them ... if not all of them still. I know you think you're Ms. Cleo and can tell who is and is not going to be a contender but the reality is that Parker is damn good and has yet to show signs of slowing down.




P.P.S.
Calling him a "playoff choker" makes no sense because that would make everyone outside of LeBron James in today's NBA world a playoff choker. Sure, TP hasn't been able to lift a team to a championship as the #1 option ... but that holds true for everyone in the NBA outside of LeBron. Dirk has fallen off. Kobe is Kobe anymore. Paul Pierce has slowed. Duncan isn't in his prime. So right now, we have LeBron as the only active #1 option with a championship ring. We can call everyone else playoff chokers or we can realize how that makes no sense...

[capek]

We can call everyone else playoff chokers or we can realize how that makes no sense...

Freetiago: "What is this "sense" you talk about? Is it like the feeling I get when I need to go poop?"

[freetiago]

The point of showing who was drafted was to show they while they are solid players they arent part of a championship big 3 that could compete with a prime Durant/Westbrook/Abaka
A Parker/Leonard/Splitter core can probably be a 6-8 seed in a stacked western conference and get somewhere near a 20th pick
adding a rookie James Anderson to that core will not be the missing piece to compete with OKC

and this thread is abut his early to mid 30s
he can start but again who would really need him
he would be nice to have but probably not at a 13 million price tag when a team can stick with a great player like ty lawson

and 2010 getting swept by the suns and having goran dragic drop huge turds on parker
2011 mike conley shutting him down to the point where he had trouble dribbling the ball up the court at times
2012- Thabo sefalosha
then other chokes like 04
a lot of this goes on Parker who played great in the reg season and who was known as the leader of the team and he pulls disappearing acts
also is a 33 year old Parker going to join the list of Magic and Isiah to lead their teams to a le

and no guys like Durant didnt choke
Harden did and his team just got outplayed and Miamis roleplayers got hot
parker does have an actual resume of being upset while he was suppose to be the best player on the team
Durant losing to James in the finals isnt an upset

[Richie]

The point of showing who was drafted was to show they while they are solid players they arent part of a championship big 3 that could compete with a prime Durant/Westbrook/Abaka
A Parker/Leonard/Splitter core can probably be a 6-8 seed in a stacked western conference and get somewhere near a 20th pick
adding a rookie James Anderson to that core will not be the missing piece to compete with OKC

Listen. We aren't saying the Spurs will be a contender after Duncan and Manu retire. We likely won't get a star free agent or a superstar draft pick.

However, what you are saying is ridiculous. Parker will not retire at 32. He will likely not retire a Spur, as it will be in both his and our best interests to trade him. A team like Denver would snap our hand off for a Lawson/Parker trade. $13m is an absolute bargain for a player of Parkers quality, considering a max contract for him is $20m+.

The idea that he would retire along with Duncan is purely moronic. A talented team looking for a #2 or #3 guy in a couple years should look no further than Parker. , maybe even Durant/Westbrook end up with a Kobe/Shaq feud and OKC needs a point guard. The point is, there will be playoff teams looking for an elite point guard in a couple years, and they will want Parker.

[timvp]

The point of showing who was drafted was to show they while they are solid players they arent part of a championship big 3 that could compete with a prime Durant/Westbrook/Abaka
A Parker/Leonard/Splitter core can probably be a 6-8 seed in a stacked western conference and get somewhere near a 20th pick
adding a rookie James Anderson to that core will not be the missing piece to compete with OKC

So you want a superstar in every draft? Got it.

and this thread is abut his early to mid 30s
he can start but again who would really need him
he would be nice to have but probably not at a 13 million price tag when a team can stick with a great player like ty lawson

Most teams need their starters, tbh. And Ty Lawson isn't a great player.

and 2010 getting swept by the suns and having goran dragic drop huge turds on parker

Yeah, let's blame Parker for that series even though he was slowed by injury that season and, for that reason, began the series on the bench. Good idea.

2011 mike conley shutting him down to the point where he had trouble dribbling the ball up the court at times

Exaggeration.

2012- Thabo sefalosha

Parker still outplayed Westbrook. The Spurs still outscored the Thunder for the series when Parker was on the court. Parker was the best player on the court in Game 6 for a majority of the game. But, yeah, Spurs lost so that makes him a choker. Good idea.

then other chokes like 04

A 21-year-old point guard was only great in the first two games and then struggled after the Lakers decided to focus their defense to stopping him while leaving shooters open. Let's call Parker a playoff choker for being a 21-year-old who couldn't beat perhaps the most talented team ever when they designed their D to stop him specifically. Another great idea.

also is a 33 year old Parker going to join the list of Magic and Isiah to lead their teams to a le

You're the one with apparent psychic abilities. You tell us. Thanks.

and no guys like Durant didnt choke
Harden did and his team just got outplayed and Miamis roleplayers got hot

Okay, so we have LeBron James as a proven #1 championship option. And Kevin Durant as an unproven #1 championship option who might not be a choker pending a larger sample size. Everyone else is a playoff choker. Interesting stuff, tbh.

parker does have an actual resume of being upset while he was suppose to be the best player on the team

Last year was the first time Parker was the best player on the team. They made it to the WCF for the first time in five seasons. Let's not fill the San Antonio River with tears just yet.

Durant losing to James in the finals isnt an upset

Actually, yeah it was. The Thunder were favored to win the series. I apologize for Vegas disagreeing with your hindsight vision.

[Brazil]

Timvp going ham on freetiago.

Please try to not be that harsh on timvpdpoty dude, he is mentally fragile tbh. Thanks in advance for your comprehension.

[Cry Havoc]

freetiago just embarrassing himself. Revisionist history is an oogly thing.

[freetiago]

lol at gnsf god putting words i didnt say and exaggerating my post
youre the one who said everyone but lebron was a choker by my logic which i never said
whats the spurs record in the playoffs since 07 btw
and you want to act like a choking didnt happen
how about game 1 in 2011 when manu was out and the spurs needed parker to step up, 4-16
even his game 2 of 12 pts on 14 shots then proceeds to go 5/14 the next game

and did i say we need a superstar in every draft
the point of that is that if we keep the core well still win and will get solid players
nothing to take us over the top
will parker want to stay in that situation?

and who cares if he outplayed westbrick
he didnt do what was needed for the spurs to win
in games 3/4/5 he turned into an inefficient scorer/turnover machine
and game 6 he started out hot then collapsed in the 3rd and 4th
backdoor sweep but yes he outplayed westbrook congratulations

and choking is choking no matter what teams he played
what about 03 when tony had his ass glued to the bench for speedy claxton

spurfan is so sensitive
this whole thread got derailed because i suggested Tony Parker who would play a fulfilling 15 year career with the same team would possibly retire out on top with the same franchise and let the team rebuild
spurfan is trying to make it sound like i said Tony is garbage
ive already acknowledged that hes a top point guard and probably the best in the nba in other threads
Tony is more loyal then everyone thinks and he could easily end his career on a high note with the same team once the Tim Duncan era has ended as he could continue playing for other teams or waste his last days on a treadmill spur team

[timvp]

lol at gnsf god putting words i didnt say and exaggerating my post
youre the one who said everyone but lebron was a choker by my logic which i never said

Obviously you didn't say that or I would have quoted it. I furthered your logic to account for more than simply LeBron, Durant and Parker. If you want to counter it, then list some players who right now could take over for Parker as the No. 1 option and lead the Spurs to a championship. LeBron is one. Durant? He's an untested two. Who else you got?

whats the spurs record in the playoffs since 07 btw

The Spurs haven't been as good since Tim Duncan's prime ended. Great investigative posting. Let's alert the news agencies.

and you want to act like a choking didnt happen

Losing doesn't necessarily equal choking. Which team since 2007 do you think should have won a championship but choked? All of them?

how about game 1 in 2011 when manu was out and the spurs needed parker to step up, 4-16

Bad game. Good call. Go to the front desk for your cookie.

and who cares if he outplayed westbrick
he didnt do what was needed for the spurs to win

Obviously he didn't do what the Spurs needed to win because the Spurs didn't win. Durant didn't do what the Thunder needed him to do to win in the Finals. That's how that formula works.

Did Parker play at the top of his game? No. Is it his fault alone the Spurs lost? No. Is Parker a choker because he didn't do it? I don't see how unless you're definition of non-chokers is unrealistically high.

what about 03 when tony had his ass glued to the bench for speedy claxton

How dare a player younger than Cory Joseph only dominate a top five point guard ever who was in his prime for part of the series rather than the whole series. Good call.

this whole thread got derailed because i suggested Tony Parker who would play a fulfilling 15 year career with the same team would possibly retire out on top with the same franchise and let the team rebuild

Maybe Kawhi should also retire so the Spurs can really suck and rebuild even better. Good call.

No, TP isn't going to retire in two years. Barring injury, he's always said he wants to play as long as he can. And, no, the Spurs aren't going to be nudging him out into the pasture any time soon. They'll gladly have the "playoff choker" around leading the next crop.

[therealtruth]

A fair definition for playoff choker is someone who can't play at the same level he plays at in the regular season. That automatically excludes Lebron since he always plays better in the playoffs regardless of team success.

[Calispursfan11]

Agree that TP is not a playoff choker. He's also been on an absolute tear of late. He used to have an off game every 3-4 games in the past, but he's been playing great for months now.