Bush was a total disaster. Obama is worse.

[ElNono]

The problem is that Americans have become worthless to themselves and anyone else. There are enough who think they're doing something good that they will argue with you about that, everyone thinks they are the exception. America has been like a fine instrument running in auto mode while Americans take extended vacations from the responsibility of actually giving a , and they won't return to work before it's too late and the instrument has destroyed itself and them. Then they will blame other Americans.

It's your fault, tbh

[Latarian Milton]

The problem is that Americans have become worthless to themselves and anyone else. There are enough who think they're doing something good that they will argue with you about that, everyone thinks they are the exception. America has been like a fine instrument running in auto mode while Americans take extended vacations from the responsibility of actually giving a , and they won't return to work before it's too late and the instrument has destroyed itself and them. Then they will blame other Americans.

tbh americans just feel upset about the changes that happened over the past 2 decades, through which the overflow of immigrants (no matter legal or not) have basically ruined what was at one time a paradise of prosperity and wealth. it's still the best country of the world but if you ask any american adult who had live in the 80s or early 90s america, they would rather go back and live in the old years if they can, despite not having iphones or nba 2k13. immigrants are like some unwelcome guests who're set to live in your home for a VERY long time, and when they get done trashing up your house, they're gone and will most likely go back to the countries they originally came from. shameless s come to the US for the welfare and freedom, they love the welfare and freedom this country gives them, but they don't love this country, at all

[Wild Cobra]

immigrants are like some unwelcome guests

Speak for yourself.

Only the illegal ones are unwelcome in my book.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Boutons, for the millionth time, I'm not right wing. You assume this because I call out Obama. Shall I bump my old bash Bush threads from many years ago?

Plenty here have asked you countless times to provide examples of bashing Bush while he was president. All you end up doing is sanctimoniously bash him so you appear unbiased.

[Latarian Milton]

Speak for yourself.

Only the illegal ones are unwelcome in my book.

and you should be fine with Obama administration since he's been doing his utmost to grant illegal immigrants legal status. immigrants are just like your wife's cheapass relatives from the countryside who come to your home showing no intention to leavel until the whole place is trashed up. sorry to tell you the truth but im indeed not an immigrant tbqfh

[Wild Cobra]

and you should be fine with Obama administration since he's been doing his utmost to grant illegal immigrants legal status. immigrants are just like your wife's cheapass relatives from the countryside who come to your home showing no intention to leavel until the whole place is trashed up. sorry to tell you the truth but im indeed not an immigrant tbqfh

No.

I am against the measures of amnesty, and allowing them to jump in the front of the line of legal immigrants.

Their crimes should not be rewarded.

[DMC]

tbh americans just feel upset about the changes that happened over the past 2 decades, through which the overflow of immigrants (no matter legal or not) have basically ruined what was at one time a paradise of prosperity and wealth. it's still the best country of the world but if you ask any american adult who had live in the 80s or early 90s america, they would rather go back and live in the old years if they can, despite not having iphones or nba 2k13. immigrants are like some unwelcome guests who're set to live in your home for a VERY long time, and when they get done trashing up your house, they're gone and will most likely go back to the countries they originally came from. shameless s come to the US for the welfare and freedom, they love the welfare and freedom this country gives them, but they don't love this country, at all

Pure bull . Everyone's ancestors immigrated from somewhere and there's never been a time since first re-discovered by Columbus when there were no immigrants coming to this country. You're an immigrant yourself, just playing the hate game against your own people hoping to distance yourself in the eyes of forum people you'll never meet.

[Latarian Milton]

just like i said before, immigrants who're "legal" are in fact more harmful and dangerous than illegal aliens because:

1. most illegals are uneducated and an illegal immigrant won't expect much else from the society but a ty menial job and minimum wage to sustain a frugal life, and the society needs the cheap labors to do those ty jobs which no american wants to take; while "legal" immigrants will take your sons and daughters' jobs away more often than not (knowing the employers in general have a fetish for those immigrants because they're bilingual), leaving the new generation of young americans working at walmart and starbucks

2. legal immigrants are more likely to make an influence in the nation's politics, and broaden the road for even more foreigners to immigrate to the US, which is a vicious circle. today's native americans are becoming the "native americans" of the 18th century, who're about to lose their homelands to newer immigrants, and i believe most americans who were born and grew up in the US must have realized that something must be done to make sure that such egregious scenario won't come true

[DMC]

just like i said before, immigrants who're "legal" are in fact more harmful and dangerous than illegal aliens because:

1. most illegals are uneducated and an illegal immigrant won't expect much else from the society but a ty menial job and minimum wage to sustain a frugal life, and the society needs the cheap labors to do those ty jobs which no american wants to take; while "legal" immigrants will take your sons and daughters' jobs away more often than not (knowing the employers in general have a fetish for those immigrants because they're bilingual), leaving the new generation of young americans working at walmart and starbucks

2. legal immigrants are more likely to make an influence in the nation's politics, and broaden the road for even more foreigners to immigrate to the US, which is a vicious circle. today's native americans are becoming the "native americans" of the 18th century, who're about to lose their homelands to newer immigrants, and i believe most americans who were born and grew up in the US must have realized that something must be done to make sure that such egregious scenario won't come true

There's nothing harmful about being a productive member of society. Being on the fringe, trying to get by through illegal tactics, thievery, playing the system, that costs us billions. Paying taxes, voting, running in the 5K, running for public office, that's part of being an active member of a society.

You're backwards, not surprised though seeing how you people piss in your own food source and live 40 to a room.

[Wild Cobra]

just like i said before, immigrants who're "legal" are in fact more harmful and dangerous than illegal aliens because:

1. most illegals are uneducated and an illegal immigrant won't expect much else from the society but a ty menial job and minimum wage to sustain a frugal life, and the society needs the cheap labors to do those ty jobs which no american wants to take; while "legal" immigrants will take your sons and daughters' jobs away more often than not (knowing the employers in general have a fetish for those immigrants because they're bilingual), leaving the new generation of young americans working at walmart and starbucks

And this isn't a problem? taking low income jobs, increasing the labor pool of unskilled workers, keeping wages at minimum wage levels?

2. legal immigrants are more likely to make an influence in the nation's politics, and broaden the road for even more foreigners to immigrate to the US, which is a vicious circle.

And here I always thought they liked what we have over their nation, rather than wanting to change our system...

today's native americans are becoming the "native americans" of the 18th century, who're about to lose their homelands to newer immigrants, and i believe most americans who were born and grew up in the US must have realized that something must be done to make sure that such egregious scenario won't come true

Never crossed my mind. Never heard others speak of such things.

Who are these people? People like you? Ignorant children?

[Latarian Milton]

Pure bull . Everyone's ancestors immigrated from somewhere and there's never been a time since first re-discovered by Columbus when there were no immigrants coming to this country. You're an immigrant yourself, just playing the hate game against your own people hoping to distance yourself in the eyes of forum people you'll never meet.

everyone speaks on behalf of the side where his ass is at so it's no surprise you're such a pro-immigration bigot, like all the other immigrants who came to this country legally or illegally. america was completely uncivilized when the first immigrants came here from europe, and it was the white men and their black slaves who made the country what it is. if you sons of se immigrate to antarctica and sub-saharan africa, places that are very similar to the 18th century america, then i'll probably show you some respect tbh. america was already the best country of the world by the time you shameless s immigrated, and i presume that when the country turns again due to the abusive immigration, you s will be gone

[DMC]

everyone speaks on behalf of the side where his ass is at so it's no surprise you're such a pro-immigration bigot, like all the other immigrants who came to this country legally or illegally. america was completely uncivilized when the first immigrants came here from europe, and it was the white men and their black slaves who made the country what it is. if you sons of se immigrate to antarctica and sub-saharan africa, places that are very similar to the 18th century america, then i'll probably show you some respect tbh. america was already the best country of the world by the time you shameless s immigrated, and i presume that when the country turns again due to the abusive immigration, you s will be gone

My people were here before that, and your people came here to build railroads but they didn't get any love for it. There's no Chang Xiang railroad in the US. It's Northern Pacific or so. This country wasn't civil before about 1975.

[Latarian Milton]

And this isn't a problem? taking low income jobs, increasing the labor pool of unskilled workers, keeping wages at minimum wage levels?

And here I always thought they liked what we have over their nation, rather than wanting to change our system...

Never crossed my mind. Never heard others speak of such things.

Who are these people? People like you? Ignorant children?

you need cheap labors to do the ty works and illegals just give you what you need. i guess you'd rather have some illegals get the ty works done, than do those works by yourself with some "legal" immigrants being your boss and ting over your head.

[Wild Cobra]

you need cheap labors to do the ty works and illegals just give you what you need. i guess you'd rather have some illegals get the ty works done, than do those works by yourself with some "legal" immigrants being your boss and ting over your head.

No, I want the employment agencies to make unemployed people work, else lose their benefits.

[Latarian Milton]

No, I want the employment agencies to make unemployed people work, else lose their benefits.

there're always ty works out there and if you don't want illegal immigrants to get them done, you have to do those works yourself or let your sons and daughters do those works because they struggle to find a job elsewhere when all these decent jobs have been legally stolen by those "legal" immigrants tbh

[Latarian Milton]

There's nothing harmful about being a productive member of society. Being on the fringe, trying to get by through illegal tactics, thievery, playing the system, that costs us billions. Paying taxes, voting, running in the 5K, running for public office, that's part of being an active member of a society.

You're backwards, not surprised though seeing how you people piss in your own food source and live 40 to a room.

i don't have no problem with inviting some elite foreigners into the US (arnold for example) but im pretty sure there ain't that many elites. "legal" immigrants take the decent jobs in US and pay taxes, but it doesn't generate any extra fiscal income for the government when nearly 50% local graduates are either unemployed or underemployed. those working opportunities could've been preserved for the local students whose parents have been paying taxes to the government their entire lives, and they should've also been proudly making contributions to their country like their parents do but for the "legal" immigrants

[Wild Cobra]

i don't have no problem with inviting some elite foreigners into the US (arnold for example) but im pretty sure there ain't that many elites. "legal" immigrants take the decent jobs in US and pay taxes, but it doesn't generate any extra fiscal income for the government when nearly 50% local graduates are either unemployed or underemployed. those working opportunities could've been preserved for the local students whose parents have been paying taxes to the government their entire lives, and they should've also been proudly making contributions to their country like their parents do but for the "legal" immigrants

My God, you have that backwards.

It's the better educated ones who complement our society. Wealth is not static, but dynamic. A person who is a productive tax payer is not a burden, but adds to the economy. Those who undercut the jobs of others at the bottom end increase the subsidies we have to pay the non working poor.

Besides, that's why we have annual limitations on immigration. This keeps the job markets from being flooded with labor, and hurting the supply and demand economics. The unregulated illegal immigration hurts the supply and demand balance.

[Latarian Milton]

plus, if you believe everyone deserves an equal chance, you should donate everything you have back to the society before your demise instead of bequeathing your house and money to your children, because the kids who grew up in poor households also deserve a equal chance. and if you don't, why would you want to give every foreigner an equal chance to compete against americans?

[Wild Cobra]

plus, if you believe everyone deserves an equal chance, you should donate everything you have back to the society before your demise instead of bequeathing your house and money to your children, because the kids who grew up in poor households also deserve a equal chance. and if you don't, why would you want to give every foreigner an equal chance to compete against americans?

You lost me with that communist rhetoric.

[Latarian Milton]

My God, you have that backwards.

It's the better educated ones who complement our society. Wealth is not static, but dynamic. A person who is a productive tax payer is not a burden, but adds to the economy. Those who undercut the jobs of others at the bottom end increase the subsidies we have to pay the non working poor.

Besides, that's why we have annual limitations on immigration. This keeps the job markets from being flooded with labor, and hurting the supply and demand economics. The unregulated illegal immigration hurts the supply and demand balance.

but your limitations on immigration obviously failed to work when there's already a con uous surplus of labor in the job market, and most of the unemployed youngsters are LOCAL students. illegals can always find some ty works here and there because they need the minimum wages to subsist, but do you really want your own children to work with s at those deadend ty jobs? if a foreign student finds it hard to get a job in america he'll then fly back where he came from, but where do you want the americans lads to go when all those decent working opportunities have been eaten up by "legal" immigrants?

and you're legitimately fooling yourself if you think wealth can be conjured up out of nothing. the size of economy is limited so that if you occupy all these decent jobs with foreign elites, american youngsters are gonna get stuck in ty jobs and their future will be diminished. america can't offer an equal opportunity to everyone in the world because there're about 7 billion people living on this planet and only 350m of them are americans even with immigrants included, and i can guarantee you that 90% of them would want to live in the US. say if there're only 10 jobs left in america, 9.5 of them will end up in the hands of immigrants if you give them equal chances tbh

[Vladimir Lenin]

You lost me with that communist rhetoric.

[RandomGuy]

There is a high percentage of worthless bumbs in the US. I don't know if its as high as 47%

I don't disagree that there are useless oxygen thieves, but they are fewer and farther between than is commonly held in conservative mythology.

Your problem is that you assume guilty before proven innocent.

Poor=worthless human being

This is one of the basic underpinnings of conservative mythology that drives your worldview, whether you want to own up to it or not. You people really suck at examining your underlying assumptions or even being aware that you have them, so I dont' see that as changing.

Listen to any conservative rhetoric and read between the lines. Nevermind that poverty in the US is far stickier, and we have far less "socialism" than other countries, that bit of evidence that doesn't support the view that (poor=moral failing= worthless) is readily ignored.

The free market is not God. You shouldn't hold it out as some infallible diety, yet you all do. pfft.

[TeyshaBlue]

Ummm......

[Winehole23]

There is a high percentage of worthless bums in the US. I don't know if its as high as 47%

Law of the land says you can't treat em like worthless bums and other people might have scruples about that, not that you would care.

[Capt Bringdown]

Interesting Greenwald piece on the disgusting Obama sycophancy and deference going on at MSNBC:

MSNBC boldly moves to plug its one remaining hole
By hiring long-time Obama spokesmen Robert Gibbs and David Axelrod, the cable news network clarifies its function
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