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This is the first big payday of his career and might be the only big payday of his career, the QBs who take paycuts like Brady and Manning are in a different boat.
They could have offered less or brought someone else in. I have zero sympathy for teams that give out stupid contracts.
This is the first big payday of his career and might be the only big payday of his career, the QBs who take paycuts like Brady and Manning are in a different boat.
steal for the Ravens
Why do people get even report that full amount? It's one of the most stupid thing in all of sports to say "player x has a billion dollar contract"...Hardly anyone ever gets anywhere close to the amount of the contract.
I don't really know the NFL CBA; how much of that deal is likely to be guaranteed?
I was all for him getting a bigger contract, but 20 per does seem to be considerably too much. Will be interesting to see how the FO builds around him going forward, especially on defense where they have an aging unit that will be in need of serious upgrades.
Also, does this affect whether they will try to keep Boldin?
About $50-60 Million. Since he's a quarterback, he'll probably see all of it, though. If I understand the structure of it properly, the Ravens wouldn't really be able to cut him until after year four or so. By then, his cap number will probably be so high he'll have to restructure, binding the Ravens to more bonus money. That's the reason why Big Ben's seen his whole deal.
It shouldn't. The Ravens are under the cap still. If they need to free a couple of mil, they can cut Jones and Leach. I expect Boldin to get an extension that limits his cap number. Something like 8/2 tacked on would drop his cap allotment by about $3 Million this season.
Grossly underrated to grossly overrated in an instant
Grossly underrated to grossly overrated in an instant
well, safe to say that Baltimore will not be a contender for a long time.
The first few years of the deal won't be too bad (Flacco's cap figure for next year is under $10M) but they're ed if/when the big numbers kick in. I don't think they have any intention of this contract going the full 6 years and expect to be able to restructure with Flacco down the road, Newsome just wanted to avoid franchise tagging a QB and gave in to a back-loaded deal that wouldn't hurt their cap flexibility too much this year.
The Ravens will still be right there with Denver and New England as AFC front runners next year. If they keep Boldin their offense is only some improved play calling away from being top tier, while their defense will still be good as long as what they have at inside linebacker isn't a huge liability. Flacco is still getting better while Brady and Manning are over the hill, and neither Denver or New England are going to improve THAT much over the off season. Only realistic way I see New England improving is if the Chad Ochocinco type move they make to address the receiver position works (since anyone who thinks they're going after Bowe or Jennings is kidding himself), or if a full off season for all the young defensive players makes a big difference. Denver has nowhere to go but down imo.
I totally agree with you.
I don't think most fans on this forum understand how the cap works in the NFL. It's not like the NBA, where Flacco's contract is going to count $20 Million against the cap every season. As you said, he won't cost much until a couple of years down the line, when Suggs and Ngata are off the books or close to it, when their replacements are still on rookie deals, and when cutting Rice and/or Boldin might make more sense. Suggs and Ngata combine for a more than $20 Million cap hit next season, and that didn't stop the Ravens from making Flacco the highest paid player. Smart teams know how to handle the cap and spend within their means. I think the Ravens overpaid Flacco, but I don't think they'll ever suffer for it.
If the Ravens fail to be a contender next year, it won't be because they don't have the money to improve.
Flacco's projected cap hit according to Brian McFarland (one of the better capologists out there):
2013: $6.8M
2014: $14.8M
2015: $14.55M
2016: $28.75M
2017: $31.15M
2018: $24.75M
I don't think the Ravens will have any trouble keeping a good team around him for the next three seasons with those cap numbers. If the cap does go up by a good amount (more than $10 Million), I could see them being able to keep Flacco with only a little restructuring. , Flacco could pull a Brady then and take a cheaper extension that drops the cap hits substantially.
Or the Ravens can cut him in 2016 and only suffer a $12 Million cap hit. That would free up $16 Million that season and leave them clear of any cap obligations going forward.
Last edited by Chinook; 03-04-2013 at 04:03 PM.
Yeah Flacco's an idiot if he thinks those last 3 years are gonna happen at that salary. If I were an NFL player I'd always take less money and have a contract that wasn't so backloaded.
Hmm, now this is interesting:
http://russellstreetreport.com/break...ccos-new-deal/
So according to this chart, the team only saves about $3 Million by cutting Flacco in 2016 (18M salary - 15M in pro-rated bonuses from 2017-18). In 2017, the Ravens would save $17 Million by cutting him.If accurate, the following would be Flacco’s Cap numbers:
To me, this means two things: First, Flacco is going to be with the Ravens for the next three years come or high water. The split bonuses make the cap penalty for letting him go too onerous. Even in 2016, he'll probably be safe from getting cut provided the Ravens don't have a quarterback on a rookie deal like Kaepernick whom they want to start. Second, restructuring Flacco after 2015 is going to be tricky. One reason is that the salaries are too large to make doing a simple restructure work; Flacco would need to agree to an extension like Brady to allow the cap hits to spread out. Another is that Flacco will be 31 at that time, and in three years, taking $12-15 Million a year like Brady did will seem even less likely. As DUNCANownsKOBE has pointed out, the average salary for elite quarterbacks is going to keep rising to the point that Flacco's current average will not seem that much of an overpayment. It's going to be hard to convince Joe that he should make half the money of other quarterbacks when he's still in his prime. Therefore, if the Ravens and Flacco agree to a restructure, there is a very real risk that they will have to give Flacco a raise to make that happen.
If I were Ozzie, I'd try to draft a quarterback high in this or next draft to have some leverage in 2016. The Ravens can't go into negotiations with Flacco having all the cards again. That being said, I stand by my belief that the Ravens will not be hindered too greatly by Flacco's deal. Worst comes to worst, they'll only need one year (2016) to purge his contract. I'd trade the potential of having one down year for three more years of bringing back the same team.
I just remembered that Flacco has never made the Pro Bowl. Interesting that the highest paid QB in history has never made a Pro Bowl.
He had a chance in 2010 as an injury replacement, but he declined because he was also injured. Jared Allen messed him up pretty badly in the middle of that season. The fact that Flacco didn't come out says a lot about his durability though. At least he's started every game of his career.
He's probably a front runner to grace the cover of Madden 2014 so that could change.
I would be really surprised if he doesn't disapoint from this point forward.
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