Beer related: TX SenatorJohn Carona offers beer related bill

[pgardn]

Isn't methanol only present when introduced on purpose; e.g., in rubbing alcohol to protect the profits of the liquor industry?

They do denature industrial ethanol using methanol or some other alcohol like isopropyl. Gives the ethanol a foul taste. Leaves the ethanol intact. People won't steal the industrial stuff this way. However, in the fermenting process for consumption, or afterwards if you are trying to distill (not in beer or wine) methanol can be produced in lower levels that are still toxic but not as detectable, until you can't see or perhaps die. This usually occurs with crappy operations where you get too much cellulose into the sugars you really want to ferment. And the person has to be hammered pretty good already.

Thus I said I would make my own and screw it up. I have used pure glucose with a brewers yeast and then distilled a tiny amount off (80 C) and it was perfectly clear and tasted/smelled like brandy. I only produced about a thimbleful, did it with a round bottom flask and bent some other glass with heat, used cold water, a tiny little still.

Dont net tell anyone. I did not try to sell it and was a tiny amount. I did it in a lab. I am not one of those toothless guys setting up somewhere in Arkansas. They appear to know what they are doing. Lots of variables to control I imagine to make a consistent batch. I'm gonna buy my beer or wine, way too much trouble and too much waiting for this brew minor.

[pgardn]

Well, Coors brews in the millions of barrels. Shiner is at about 600,000. The 10,000 number refers to one type of license. I can explain in more detail sometime... but coincidentally this fight isn't over. Here is a story from today. http://www.texastribune.org/2014/04/...rms-lawmakers/

Aha! An economics professor getting into the brew. I can understand. Trying to discern how people are going to behave in diff. financial situations would drive me to imbibing heavy sludge.

Crap, I assume you are the Scott... Sorry if not but the above still holds. The alcohol industry is wacked. Not being able to call Scotch, Scotch unless it's made in Scotland or whatever... The man keeping the toothless Appalachian craftsman down. Al Capone taking Chicago. Grandma leaving her flour in the water too long and claiming its cough syrup.

So who is gonna start the weed legalization legislation in Texas?
Dead silence.

[baseline bum]

They do denature industrial ethanol using methanol or some other alcohol like isopropyl. Gives the ethanol a foul taste. Leaves the ethanol intact. People won't steal the industrial stuff this way. However, in the fermenting process for consumption, or afterwards if you are trying to distill (not in beer or wine) methanol can be produced in lower levels that are still toxic but not as detectable, until you can't see or perhaps die. This usually occurs with crappy operations where you get too much cellulose into the sugars you really want to ferment. And the person has to be hammered pretty good already.

Thanks for the explanation. As you can see, my chemistry knowledge is .

[Spurminator]

Peticolas and Other Craft Brewers Are Suing Texas Over Distribution Laws

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/cityofate/2014/12/peticolas_vs_tabc.php

[Winehole23]

	By: Thompson of Harris	H.B. No. 3389

	A BILL TO BE EN LED
	AN ACT
	relating to the distribution of beer and ale by certain
	manufactures.
	BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
	SECTION 1, LE 3, SUB LE A, Section 12A.02(b) amended
	to read as follows:
	(b) The total combined sales of ale under this section,
	together with the sales of beer by the holder of a manufacturer's
	self-distribution license under Section 62A.02 at the same
	premises, may not exceed 5,000 [40,000] barrels annually.
	LE 3, SUB LE B, Sec. 62A.01(b), is amended to read as
	follows:
	(b) The total combined sales of beer under this section,
	together with the sales of ale by the holder of a brewer's
	self-distribution permit under Section 12A.02 at the same premises,
	may not exceed 5,000 [40,000] barrels annually.
	SECTION 2. This Act takes place
	September 1, 2015.

ftp://ftp.legis.state.tx.us/bills/84...9/HB03389I.htm

[Winehole23]

the relevant section of the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Code in 2013, see page 39: https://www.tabc.state.tx.us/laws/code/83rd/ le3.pdf

[boutons_deux]

Repugs love legislation that protects their contributor$$$, and restricts the "supply side" so the demanders pay a lot more.

5000 barrels/year? why regulate it all? I can guess. Repugs screw consumers, as always.

[Winehole23]

big brewers, losing market share to craft brewers and brewpubs, seeking rent at the Texas lege.

holders of brewer's self-distribution permits would see their combined sales of beer and ale capped at 5,000 barrels per year, down from 40,000.

[Winehole23]

Repugs love legislation that protects their contributor$$$, and restricts the "supply side" so the demanders pay a lot more.

it makes very little sense to blame this on the Republicans, boutons.

[Winehole23]

mind turned off, mouth an outgoing message recording

[boutons_deux]

it makes very little sense to blame this on the Republicans, boutons.

Repugs own TX, so own ALL legislation, same as Repugs protecting auto dealers from Tesal direct sales.

[Winehole23]

catering to special interests isn't peculiar to Republicans. it's garden variety pay for play politics.

[Winehole23]

basically all progress in the craft beer industry in Texas has occurred under GOP hegemony.

[Winehole23]

backsliding is always possible. big brewers got one guy to carry this, and he will reap the reward, even if his amendment goes down, which it deserves to and probably will. Texans love good beer too much, and presuming the word gets out, it will.

[boutons_deux]

backsliding is always possible. big brewers got one guy to carry this, and he will reap the reward, even if his amendment goes down, which it deserves to and probably will. Texans love good beer too much, and presuming the word gets out, it will.

do you really think Repug Texans vote beer as an issue? above hate-all-govt, cut MY taxes, abortion, LGBT, guns?

which Repugs run with beer as a campaign?

[boutons_deux]

catering to special interests isn't peculiar to Republicans. it's garden variety pay for play politics.

false equivalence

Repug special interests are always pro-business, anti-govt (when govt benefits 99%), pro-war/defense/MIC, and anti-citizen.

[pgardn]

	By: Thompson of Harris	H.B. No. 3389

	A BILL TO BE EN LED
	AN ACT
	relating to the distribution of beer and ale by certain
	manufactures.
	BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
	SECTION 1, LE 3, SUB LE A, Section 12A.02(b) amended
	to read as follows:
	(b) The total combined sales of ale under this section,
	together with the sales of beer by the holder of a manufacturer's
	self-distribution license under Section 62A.02 at the same
	premises, may not exceed 5,000 [40,000] barrels annually.
	LE 3, SUB LE B, Sec. 62A.01(b), is amended to read as
	follows:
	(b) The total combined sales of beer under this section,
	together with the sales of ale by the holder of a brewer's
	self-distribution permit under Section 12A.02 at the same premises,
	may not exceed 5,000 [40,000] barrels annually.
	SECTION 2. This Act takes place
	September 1, 2015.

ftp://ftp.legis.state.tx.us/bills/84...9/HB03389I.htm

So I look up Thompson of Harris and this amendment appears to be from a liberal democrat.
Boots, check me on this.

[boutons_deux]

So I look up Thompson of Harris and this amendment appears to be from a liberal democrat.
Boots, check me on this.

so ing what? Is the the GENERAL trend of Dems? Then look at the almost PERFECT TREND of the Repugs pro-business, pro-1%, anti-consumer, anti-citizen, anti-patient, etc.

[TeyshaBlue]

[CosmicCowboy]

Owned

[ElNono]

[boutons_deux]

You guys got nothing on The Great Boutons. If this passes, it will be on the Repug Lege + Repug Lt Gov + Repug Gov

[TeyshaBlue]

and written by a "progressive".

[pgardn]

so ing what? Is the the GENERAL trend of Dems? Then look at the almost PERFECT TREND of the Repugs pro-business, pro-1%, anti-consumer, anti-citizen, anti-patient, etc.

So are you going to write her, as the upstanding Democrat that you are, and explain to her that this looks like she's on the take? And that this looks very bad as the accepted moral behavior of your party? We need an explaination, this is very out of character, there must be a mistake.

[boutons_deux]

So are you going to write her, as the upstanding Democrat that you are, and explain to her that this looks like she's on the take? And that this looks very bad as the accepted moral behavior of your party? We need an explaination, this is very out of character, there must be a mistake.

you're full of

Dems aren't "my party"

Almost every politician has to be corrupt, or they can't win, that's how US political and judicial elections work. 100% corrupt, and incorrigible.

again, "Is the the GENERAL trend of Dems?" vs the SYSTEMATIC bills, amendments, regulations in the same direction as the Repugs?