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Jamal Crawford..
lolwut?
In a heartbeat.
Typical Spurs fans holding on to the past. It's sad, really.
I'm all for Kawhi having a bigger role, tbh.... but let's not forget that outside the big 3, he's the only one that seemingly can create his own shot, and barely at that. Jack in the post is the other option, but Pop hasn't gone much there for some reason.
In Manu's defense, he also has been put in pretty uncomfortable lineup situations lately. Hard to run absolutely anything when you're playing with 4 other guys that can't create absolutely nothing (ie: Blair, Mills, Green, Bonner, etc). At least when he had Tiago, he could go at the pick and roll non-stop. Pop's rotations, especially on the first half, have been puzzling.
Look, when Manu is on there isn't a better player on the Spurs. He can do things that Tony simply can't do. But when he's off, which has been quite a bit recently, it's like watching JR Smith going up and down the court chucking at will.
lol Jamal Crawford...
Thread le?
Yes, the guy who came off the bench for 15 assists, then filled in for Parker with 18 points and 9 assists (in less than 30 minutes), and who was by far the best player we had against the Thunder last year (and Grizzlies the year before that with a broken arm)... yes, that guy is definitely a liability. Somebody resurrect this thread when Manu single handedly wins a playoff game for us this postseason. Idiots...
That always been Manu... you take the bad with the good because the good normally outweighs the bad... as far as whether that still holds, well, everyone is en led to their opinion, tbh
Then we don't disagree on Leonard being a #3 type contributor HH. The way I see it, Leonard can help make up the difference between this Ginobili and prime Ginobili but the other poster was suggesting that the Spurs should go into the playoffs with Tony and Leonard as the 1-2 if they want to win it all. I don't think it's underestimating Leonard's progression to say we're not winning a championship if that happens.
Leonard will definitely produce if you set him up as a #4 or #5 offensive option and I think he can even slide up into #3a or #3b if TD/Manu start slumping. But this year at least, #3 is his ceiling and I have my doubts about him as a #2 on a le team. If the Spurs have more options at their disposal though, they'll be in a better position to weather the storm if TD/Manu have poor shooting nights since they'll be able to take things game by game. I agree that it'll take a collective effort to win a championship. Which is why I think it's good that Leonard's been more creative off the dribble and it's bad that Splitter hasn't been as involved offensively.
Manu is the only one who can draw as many fouls as he does, so in the POs there's no question he's still very important.
The strange thing with Ginobili is that his athleticism on any given night seems to be really inconsistent.
Anyone remember that eurostep to dunk he had in the lane against kwame brown. Kwame being terrible notwithstanding, I'm sure a lot of fans took notice of his dunk as a sign that his athleticism was slowly returning. He showed terrific lateral movement and decent elevation on that play.
Recently, Ginobili just looks like he's struggling while making long strides towards the rim. And just to be clear, I'm not judging his drives based on whether he scores or not. I'm just looking at his driving ability from more of a qualitative perspective.
He'll look like he's a couple of years younger and more spry for certain games, and he'll look like he's 38 years old during other games.
I thought he's been driving well the last two games... had crucial baskets against Chicago on drives and last night he drove on Portland too... his step-back 3pt shooting decision making is another story, tbh
Take Ginobili off this team and see how far we go in the playoffs.
Still a top-5 shooting guard
Manu's health has always been an issue but he is not a liability. Come on now. He's Manu Ginobili and don't forget he's only playing 24 MPG this year which automatically makes his stats look worse than the player he is. A liability would be someone like Leandro Barbosa or Dejuanaburger.
Some people here seem to be pretty cyclothymic. Manu was the greatest a few days ago and today he's (to some) a liability.
I don't get it.
Typical Spurs front office holding on to the past.
I don't think he's terrible. But from what I've seen this season he's clearly not what he was even two years ago. I think its funny that people are talking about now that Tonys the best player on the team because if you said that at this point in this season two years ago people would have thought that blasphemous. Manu was the man back then and has taken a step back. He just can't do it anymore; not his fault that he got old. He still has the skills its just becoming less and less frequent that he uses them or uses them properly.
If we are going to win this year it's going to take a brief resurgence of Manu to do it.
Nice use of cyclothymic btw.
Manu is still a great player. His problem is he has to stay within his game and not try to do too much. He was playing hero ball yesterday and it resulted in a ton of turnovers and bad three point shots. He should have stuck with the drive. It was working. And not force passes.
When he is on his game, we can see what he did against Chicago, a top notch defensive team. He struggled a little against Batum, but destroyed everyone else that guarded him. His game judgment was just a little off.
Maybe butt kicking will help motivate them for the Thunder game.
LOL overreaction...Manu had two great games, and then he had a regular one and we lost by 30... Hardly his fault. The entire team collapsed. He is giving the Spurs 12.6 pts /3.5 rbs / 4.6 ass in 45/37/80...only in 23 minutes per game. He is only taking 9 shots, yes, 9. His TS is 588 and his Efg 532...Almost as good as Tony´s. His PER is 21.3 and his WS48 is 0.199. In a per minute impact, Manu contributes as any other All-Star player. Every measurable stat indicates that. Of course, he can´t log heavy minutes anymore on a consistent basis, but the time he is on the court, he produces. Haters gonna gate I guess. If he plays good against OKC, this forum will be full of threads sucking his balls.
ugh...
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