Manu's shot has his elbow straying away from his body. That's a fundamental flaw. His passing is creative, but they don't teach that in fundamentals 101. He's a creator, not a fundamental player. Nothing about Manu is fundamental.
Lebron doesn't have good fundamentals. He just recently learned to play with his back to the basket. He's athletic and incredibly talented, but his shooting fundamentals aren't close to a Ray Allen, and his post fundamentals aren't close to a Tim Duncan, and his defensive fundamentals aren't close to a Bruce Bowen.
He's not what I would consider "good" in the NBA in terms of fundamentals, meaning technique being textbook.
Bill Russell for you.
lol mentioning duncan in this thread, most overrated hack
Then you are thinking of "fundamentals" in the wrong way. Fundamentals are the basic techniques taught at HS level and on through college. It's not the ability to create despite athletic shortcomings.
In today's NBA it's got to be LeBron.
JR Smith.
Fundamentals can change from player to player. It's impossible to have an exact set of ways to do things for every single basketball player on earth.
If you can beat people with your skills, as opposed to incredible athletic ability, then your fundamentals obviously are just fine, even if they may not be incredibly pretty or orthodox looking.
Manu may have a strange looking jumper, but he is a deadly shooter, has incredible footwork, and does a number of different things incredibly well.
How on earth is that the wrong way to look at it? Basic techniques are what made unathletic players like Nash, Bird, and Dirk so incredibly successful. Basic techniques are what allowed these guys, as well as others such as MJ to be incredibly dominant late in their careers without needing to rely on their athletic ability, especially when their athletic ability subsided. So yes, it most certainly gives you an ability to create despite athletic shortcomings. Without incredible fundamentals, exactly how effective would Dirk, Bird, or Nash have been?
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That right handed hook that Duncan tries when turning to his right therefore making his shot easier to block is very un-fundamental(esque) for a guy that has "the big fundamental" as his nickname. In fact, many of the things he does aren't very fundamentally sound, tbh. For ex: his free shooting stance.
^He's afraid if he bends forward his tramp-stamp will be exposed.
Shawn Marion IMO. Dat jumpshot, dem post moves, Dat ball handling
Basketball fundamentals are existing things, not a nebulous concept that changes from player to player. It's not "hey, what's his fundamentals like?". You either have a fundamental understanding of the game or you don't. Just because you don't doesn't mean you aren't effective. I think Manu has a fundamental understanding, but the terms "unorthodox" and "fundamental" are not synonyms. In fact, the term "advanced" is an antonym of "fundamental". Things some of the successful non-athletic players do to be successful are advanced techniques they've perfected, some are even credited with creating the technique.
Fundamentals are basics. You can use the term how you like, that's your choice, but the fundamental meaning of the word is "elementary", or root level, where your elbow resides on your jump shot, how you dribble, your offensive stance, your release, your defensive stance as well, your footwork in the paint, etc...
Yes, fundamentals made all of these people remain viable players though their reputations put then in a position to play large minutes, but not all viable nonathletic players are fundamentally sound. Matt Bonner, for example.How on earth is that the wrong way to look at it? Basic techniques are what made unathletic players like Nash, Bird, and Dirk so incredibly successful. Basic techniques are what allowed these guys, as well as others such as MJ to be incredibly dominant late in their careers without needing to rely on their athletic ability, especially when their athletic ability subsided. So yes, it most certainly gives you an ability to create despite athletic shortcomings. Without incredible fundamentals, exactly how effective would Dirk, Bird, or Nash have been?
There are people who are very fundamentally sound but cannot compete at the NBA level, and there are people who are very athletic and cannot complete at the NBA level. When I think of fundamentally flawed athletic players, I think D-league. Most NBA starters/stars have enough fundamental skills to stay in the game. The ones I mentioned though, especially Kobe Bryant, are the most fundamentally sound players (I think Kobe is more fundamentally sound than MJ was tbh).
And if the same technique doesn't work for everyone, then exactly how "fundamental" is it? Because the same techniques obviously don't work for everyone, because basically every single player has their own way of doing things. There are a number of different looking forms on jumpshots that work for a lot of people. So which way is the "correct" way if so many ways works for so many people? Dirk, Nash, Ray Allen, and Kevin Durant are 4 of the greatest jumpshooters the game has ever seen. Yet, all of them have noticeably different looking shots. Then you can throw a couple more in there like Jason Kapono and Matt Bonner who are fantastic jumpshooters, but have far different jumpshots as well.
I didn't say that all non-athletic players are quality players. But there isn't a single non-athletic player, that is a quality player, that isn't fundamentally sound in one way or another. Not one.
What exactly is your point here?
my bron is the most complete basketball player since magic and i think everyone except the most re ed homers can easily agree on this one. bron is physically gifted and he always tries to push himself to a new level. kobe is an elite scorer but aside from scoring, there ain't much else he can speak of imho.
neither bron nor kobe has the best fundamentals in the league though. paul pierce has the best fundamentals of all current NBA players and he's a textbook to all amateaur learners (who're often limited in athleticism). dude can create open shots for himself even w/o lifting his feet off the ground tbh
PEDBron can't shoot for honestly
just reckless driving and monkeyballing keeping his FG% up.
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