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    Climate change has given us more days of snow this year than any ever recorded here in Western Pa (including every single day this week - gonna drive twenty miles and roast that ing Groundhog). Maybe Climate Change will bring y'all more rain, not less.
    Not likely although I also wouldn't say its likely climate change has brought you more snow. Days where it snows isn't necessarily a very meaningful metric outside of the context of the total snow for the season. In any event, Texas' la ude is likely to bring it under the influence of enhanced circulations that will provide more subsidence which in turn mean a drier environment. Even with the same type of precipitation as we have now increased temperatures will really hurt via increased evaporation. I'm looking at indicators that increased evaporation since 1980 is ALREADY having a significant effect on water supplies.

    Western PA is in a completely different environment and I have no idea what the projections are for you but warming in the winter would provided increases in precipitation because the more you warm air the more water vapor is able to hold. Your proximity to the normal winter storm track and the warmer air combined could (this is me speculating as I've not seen data specifically for PA) increase the days where you see snow but one year does not a trend make.

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    Aquifer level is determined by rainfall over the recharge zone which has been influenced by weather. The jet stream is way out of normal position right now.
    Only half right. Level in the Aquifer is also heavily dependent on how much is taken out. I'm curious as to the trends in usage of water drawn out of the Edwards but if I start looking that up I'm liable to spend hours of time looking at stuff I don't have hours to look at.

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    Only half right. Level in the Aquifer is also heavily dependent on how much is taken out. I'm curious as to the trends in usage of water drawn out of the Edwards but if I start looking that up I'm liable to spend hours of time looking at stuff I don't have hours to look at.
    Saws is obviously not the only draw on the edwards, but I remember hearing something on the radio about the fact that we are using as much water as in 1990, so I thought I would look it up. Pretty good and we could absolutely do better, but it still pretty nice.

    As a result of a nationally recognized conservation program, SAWS is using the same amount of water today as it did more than two decades ago, despite a population increase of 67%. Given these accomplishments, the 2009 Water Management Plan Update includes goals of 116 gallons per capita per day (gpcd) by 2016, with 126 gpcd in high years and 106 gpcd in low years. SAWS has a unique commercial conservation program as well as a strong residential program, such as direct rebates and services to help customers reduce water use, certification programs for industry, and public education programs for the entire community.
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    I just came here to post that I stumbled across that figure by a journalist who reports on water issues on my twitter feed. Thats pretty damn amazing. Albuquerque has managed to lower water usage in that same time frame but I can't remember if thats per capita or overall.

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    I also wonder how the fact that saws has all of bexar county will change those numbers.

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    Perry got waterboarded?

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    I just came here to post that I stumbled across that figure by a journalist who reports on water issues on my twitter feed. Thats pretty damn amazing. Albuquerque has managed to lower water usage in that same time frame but I can't remember if thats per capita or overall.
    Flying into Laredo and Phoenix, I saw most lawns were brown dirt. ABQ is like that?

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    Very little grass in New Mexico. Santa Fe has pretty much no lawns and Albuquerque has some but not very many either.

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    Very little grass in New Mexico. Santa Fe has pretty much no lawns and Albuquerque has some but not very many either.
    Fair amount of trees in those parts. Love the smell of evergreens.

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    Can the World Afford Cheap Water?

    In the U.S., agriculture, industry and people combine to use more water than flows in the nation’s rivers. The difference is pulled up from beneath surface of the earth. “We depend on ground water, it’s going away,” noted economist Jeff Sachs, director of the Earth Ins ute, which convened the State of the Planet: Water conference. “This is anew geologic era where humanity has taken over key [planetary] drivers: the water cycle, carbon cycle, nitrogen cycle.”

    The obvious solution, at least to economists, is: if water has become a scarce good then it needs an appropriate price to properly allocate it. Water engineer John Briscoe of Harvard University noted that Australian farmers survived the recent crippling drought—which resulted in a 70 percent reduction in water flow in the Murray-Darling river basin—because of a water trading system that shifted water use from low-value, high-water use crops like rice to cities that needed the H2O more. “This is Econ 101 at work,” he said.

    Financial products innovator Richard Sandor—pioneer of interest rate derivatives andcarbon market evangelist—suggested that water would prove the big commodity play of the 21st century. He predicted that both water quan y and quality could be traded as goods. Such a cap-and-trade market also garnered support from Brian Richter, leader of the global freshwater team at The Nature Conservancy: “There is an ability for a market-based system to provide strong incentives to drive water conservation,” he noted.
    “Efficiency of use goes up very quickly.”


    The problem is that “efficiency of use” may mean some get to use no water at all. Many farmers in Australia have been driven bankrupt by the drought, as Briscoe admitted while also arguing that a market proved better at allocation than government rationing would have. “Markets are well-trained to ignore the poorest people,” the Earth Ins ute’s Sachs later countered. “They direct the resource to those who will pay for it and direct it away from those who cannot.”


    http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...SA_DD_20130329

    Same with oil for transport. Tax it up to make it expensive, and watch the efficiency go up quickly.

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    Can the World Afford Cheap Water?

    In the U.S., agriculture, industry and people combine to use more water than flows in the nation’s rivers. The difference is pulled up from beneath surface of the earth. “We depend on ground water, it’s going away,” noted economist Jeff Sachs, director of the Earth Ins ute, which convened the State of the Planet: Water conference. “This is anew geologic era where humanity has taken over key [planetary] drivers: the water cycle, carbon cycle, nitrogen cycle.”

    The obvious solution, at least to economists, is: if water has become a scarce good then it needs an appropriate price to properly allocate it. Water engineer John Briscoe of Harvard University noted that Australian farmers survived the recent crippling drought—which resulted in a 70 percent reduction in water flow in the Murray-Darling river basin—because of a water trading system that shifted water use from low-value, high-water use crops like rice to cities that needed the H2O more. “This is Econ 101 at work,” he said.

    Financial products innovator Richard Sandor—pioneer of interest rate derivatives andcarbon market evangelist—suggested that water would prove the big commodity play of the 21st century. He predicted that both water quan y and quality could be traded as goods. Such a cap-and-trade market also garnered support from Brian Richter, leader of the global freshwater team at The Nature Conservancy: “There is an ability for a market-based system to provide strong incentives to drive water conservation,” he noted.
    “Efficiency of use goes up very quickly.”


    The problem is that “efficiency of use” may mean some get to use no water at all. Many farmers in Australia have been driven bankrupt by the drought, as Briscoe admitted while also arguing that a market proved better at allocation than government rationing would have. “Markets are well-trained to ignore the poorest people,” the Earth Ins ute’s Sachs later countered. “They direct the resource to those who will pay for it and direct it away from those who cannot.”


    http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...SA_DD_20130329

    Same with oil for transport. Tax it up to make it expensive, and watch the efficiency go up quickly.
    Yeah, there is Boutons trying to the 99% again with his regressive taxation plans. Carbon taxes hurts the poorest the most and the richest can afford it. They are the ones driving the gas guzzlers because they can't afford new Priuses

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    "Carbon taxes hurts the poorest the most"

    as with regressive other taxes, there are techniques to help low end.

    The taxes collected could subsidize all forms of public transport.



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    Same with oil for transport. Tax it up to make it expensive, and watch the efficiency go up quickly.
    Really?

    Internal combustion engines could be more efficient than they are today, but at the problem is, that increased power efficiency leads to higher pollution. Fuels are now formulated to so that the unburned portions are primarily CO2 and H2O out the tailpipe, but the catalytic converter is doing much of this. Modern engines operate somewhere around 15:1, maybe 17:1, air/fuel ration for gas engines. 100% efficiency would be more like 25:1.

    Problem is, pollution. The EPA standards are driving lower efficiency and cafe standards are driving fuel efficiency.

    It isn't fuel taxes driving . In European nations, people just drive cars with smaller engines and drive far less, unless they are the ~10% or better.

    Increased fuel taxes would just increase the costs associated with transportation. Push then high enough, and people will start going electric, but at the expense of making far less people capable of affording personal transportation.

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    Really?

    Internal combustion engines could be more efficient than they are today, but at the problem is, that increased power efficiency leads to higher pollution. Fuels are now formulated to so that the unburned portions are primarily CO2 and H2O out the tailpipe, but the catalytic converter is doing much of this. Modern engines operate somewhere around 15:1, maybe 17:1, air/fuel ration for gas engines. 100% efficiency would be more like 25:1.

    Problem is, pollution. The EPA standards are driving lower efficiency and cafe standards are driving fuel efficiency.

    It isn't fuel taxes driving . In European nations, people just drive cars with smaller engines and drive far less, unless they are the ~10% or better.

    Increased fuel taxes would just increase the costs associated with transportation. Push then high enough, and people will start going electric, but at the expense of making far less people capable of affording personal transportation.
    Actually, the optimum or stoichiometric ratio for contemporary gasoline is about 13:1. The EPA controls for 14.1 w/catalytic convertors. Any ratio north of these and you get into lean burn and serious heat issues.

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    Actually, the optimum or stoichiometric ratio for contemporary gasoline is about 13:1. The EPA controls for 14.1 w/catalytic convertors. Any ratio north of these and you get into lean burn and serious heat issues.
    OK, I just looked up a few things.

    Here's where I got mixed up.

    The 25:1 is by molecule, not by mass, and for this reaction:

    25/2 O2 + C8H18 -> 8 CO2 + 9 H2O

    The other ratios are by mass. I do recall the 14.7:1, rounded to 15, and made a mistake.

    Even my 25 was wrong. Should be 25:2 for molecule ratios.

    ---add---

    Your 14.1 comes from the mandated 10% ethanol. It's stoichiometric ratio is 9:1 where gasoline is 14.7:1. The mix calculates to 14.13:1.
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    Fair amount of trees in those parts. Love the smell of evergreens.
    Mostly Pinon Juniper which is practically a shrub. All the Douglas Fir are up high in the mountains (and dying due to bark beatles and drought). We have a fair amount of Aspen around too. This is in Santa Fe, though. Not much treewise in Albuquerque unless its right by the Rio Grande then you see a lot of Cottonwood.

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    Not likely although I also wouldn't say its likely climate change has brought you more snow. Days where it snows isn't necessarily a very meaningful metric outside of the context of the total snow for the season. In any event, Texas' la ude is likely to bring it under the influence of enhanced circulations that will provide more subsidence which in turn mean a drier environment. Even with the same type of precipitation as we have now increased temperatures will really hurt via increased evaporation. I'm looking at indicators that increased evaporation since 1980 is ALREADY having a significant effect on water supplies.

    Western PA is in a completely different environment and I have no idea what the projections are for you but warming in the winter would provided increases in precipitation because the more you warm air the more water vapor is able to hold. Your proximity to the normal winter storm track and the warmer air combined could (this is me speculating as I've not seen data specifically for PA) increase the days where you see snow but one year does not a trend make.
    Ran 3 miles last night - 24 ing degrees. I am ready for the global warming apocalypse, tbh. This sucks. , it's 33 RIGHT NOW!!! - Supposed to snow again on Friday.

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    Ran 3 miles last night - 24 ing degrees. I am ready for the global warming apocalypse, tbh. This sucks. , it's 33 RIGHT NOW!!! - Supposed to snow again on Friday.
    I miss Global Warming.

    How about you?

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    Evidence Linking Arctic Amplification to Extreme Weather in Mid-La udes

    Slower progression of upper-level waves would cause associated weather patterns in mid-la udes to be more persistent, which may lead to an increased probability of extreme weather events that result from prolonged conditions, such as drought, flooding, cold spells, and heat waves.

    http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/pip/2012GL051000.shtml

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    I miss Global Warming.

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    S YES!!!

    9:26 A.M.

    TWENTY ONE DEGREES - FAHRENHEIT!!!!

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    S YES!!!

    9:26 A.M.

    TWENTY ONE DEGREES - FAHRENHEIT!!!!
    Late spring frigidty is instability of the usual seasonal temperature patterns of the past several 100 years.

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    Late spring frigidty is instability of the usual seasonal temperature patterns of the past several 100 years.


    Man give it up.

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    Rainfall barely can slow decline of Medina Lake

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/env...ke-4410912.php

    Amazing slide show. Pretty much the same for Lake Travis, and Lake Mead.

    http://science.time.com/2010/10/18/w...est-drying-up/

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