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  1. #26
    Yonivore
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    "there are many republicans that are voting for kerry this time around."
    And, your support for this assertion comes from...

  2. #27
    Bandit2981
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    well, this website for one:
    www.republicansforkerry.org

  3. #28
    Tommy Duncan
    Guest
    Click on your own link:

    Paid for and authorized by Kerry-Edwards 2004, Inc.

  4. #29
    Bandit2981
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    where did you see that?

  5. #30
    Tommy Duncan
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    Before you edited it, apparently.

  6. #31
    Bandit2981
    Guest
    i had the wrong address, my edit was before your post trying to point that out

  7. #32
    Yonivore
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    You know Bandit, there are 6 billion people on this planet and over 350 million in this country.

    Surely, a few of these could call themselves Republicans, start a website, and say they're for John Kerry.

    Sorry, give me prominent, known Republicans that are voting for Kerry.

  8. #33
    Bandit2981
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    1 vote is 1 vote, why should it "count" more if a republican is "prominent" and voting for kerry, instead of a regular republican citizen voting for kerry? you asked for evidence that there are *gasp* actually republicans voting for kerry this time around, and i showed you.

  9. #34
    Tommy Duncan
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    The problem for Kerry is that if a conservative Republican isn't too happy with Bush, that does not naturally lead them to support a liberal Democrat. It's much easier for a moderate to conservative Democrat to support Bush since the issues on which those Democrats are likely to feel alienated from their party on (defense, values) are going to be the positions on which Bush shares their position.

    If you are a conservative Republican who hates Bush for the federal spending growth under his administration that does not lead you to naturally support someone who's only complaint is that the government did not grow fast enough.

    Even if that person is a pro-choice Republican, if they are for a strong defense, low taxes, etc...again, there is not that natural connection between them and Kerry.

    The Republicans who would be inclined to vote for Kerry are in New England. They're whatever remains of the Rockefeller GOP there.

  10. #35
    Yonivore
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    I'm not questioning the weight of their vote.

    I'm questioning whether they are actually republicans. And, just because they say so in a website...doesn't make it so.

  11. #36
    Bandit2981
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    by your logic, just because zell miller says he is a democrat, doesnt make it so

  12. #37
    xrayzebra
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    Bandit, Zell nailed Kerry's butt to the wall. He told it just
    like it is. He also nailed the Swimmer, Kennedy. Boy,
    they wanted to get away from VN and talk about issues,
    well they once again got their wish.

  13. #38
    Aggie Hoopsfan
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    lol, "I saw it on the internet, it must be true!"

    I'll post my link to liberalsforbush.org as soon as my credit card gets done going through to register the domain name, I already have the web page ready

  14. #39
    Yonivore
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    "by your logic, just because zell miller says he is a democrat, doesnt make it so"
    prove to me which of those people on the website have voted Democratic for the last 60 someodd years...because that's how long Zell Miller has been voting and running as a Democrat. I'd say his bona fides are pretty rock solid in that department.

  15. #40
    Bandit2981
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    just because you dont want to believe there are republicans voting for kerry doesnt make it false...sorry to disappoint you though

  16. #41
    Yonivore
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    You're right, I don't believe there are any true Republicans, with true Conservative values that are going to vote for John H. Kerry.

  17. #42
    Tommy Duncan
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    The GOP is much more united behind Bush than the Demos are behind Kerry. Poll after poll shows that.

    Another problem for Kerry, and which explains his inability to take a clear position on the Iraq invasion is that a sizable number of his supporters in polls have indicated that they supported the decision to invade (something like 35%). This is where Zell Miller, Ed Koch, and Ron Silver come in. Miller is hitting moderate and conservative Democrats, mainly rural but perhaps some in the suburbs, who might just be receptive to the notion that the Democratic leadership is far too left and far too weak on defense. This is not an new concept, but it is one that Kerry has to deal with and this is probably why he has not come out against the Iraq invasion.

    As for Koch and Silver, they represent liberals who have been mugged by reality when it comes to national security.

  18. #43
    Yonivore
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    Well said, TD.

  19. #44
    Tommy Duncan
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    Just as I thought, the Bush campaign will have Miller go to rural parts of some battleground states to make appeals to traditional Democrats.


    www.nationalreview.com/ku...021518.asp

    I interviewed Sen. Miller on the morning after his speech. I asked him about bringing over Democrats to Bush’s side. He said, “Bush himself, who is a likeable person and sound on the issues, will get a lot of Democrats and independents from his own efforts and record.” But Miller will lend a hand; he will be traveling this weekend to battleground states in Ohio and Pennsylvania “in order to change some minds and help people learn about Kerry’s record.”

  20. #45
    Yonivore
    Guest
    It's a plan.

  21. #46
    Hook Dem
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    "Kerry needs to fight back and attack just like they did last night. It's time to take the gloves off and stop being Mr. Niceguy." .........Thats a good one Joe! When was Kerry ever Mr.Niceguy?

  22. #47
    Yonivore
    Guest
    What I want to know is what does Kerry think he has in his quiver to fight with?

  23. #48
    Nbadan
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    Another problem for Kerry, and which explains his inability to take a clear position on the Iraq invasion is that a sizable number of his supporters in polls have indicated that they supported the decision to invade (something like 35%). This is where Zell Miller, Ed Koch, and Ron Silver come in. Miller is hitting moderate and conservative Democrats, mainly rural but perhaps some in the suburbs, who might just be receptive to the notion that the Democratic leadership is far too left and far too weak on defense. This is not an new concept, but it is one that Kerry has to deal with and this is probably why he has not come out against the Iraq invasion.


    Ed Koch, Ron silver, Zell Miller....none of these guys have any pull with democrats anymore. Anyone who appears on the Sean Insanity show more than once a week has totally lost his credibility as a bone-a-fide democrat, even in the most independent of minds.

    This sentence is a good example of how clue-less Texas republicans are about the progressive movement sweeping the rest of the nation.

  24. #49
    Tommy Duncan
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    I'm not a Texas Republican buddy and I'm not clueless about the great progressive wave you seem to think is out there. I only mentioned those 3 guys because they were speakers at the convention.

    Kerry does have a problem in that his base consists of both sizable pro and anti-war voters. Hence his inability to take a ing clear position as of now on Iraq.

    Man, you get more idiotic with every post.

  25. #50
    Nbadan
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    Kerry does have a problem in that his base consists of both sizable pro and anti-war voters. Hence his inability to take a ing clear position as of now on Iraq.
    Don't mistake republican propaganda with what Kerry has really said, and that is that he won't back down on the real war on terror. He will try and get our troops out of Iraq in 6 months. He will spend more to protect our boarders, and finding Osama bin Laden and the real culprits behind 911 will become priority number 1 again.

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