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    I am that guy RandomGuy's Avatar
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    Pretty much lays it out.

    Poor people = villians. Probably didn't take long to put together.

    WHile the tea party is not by any means a pure monolith, to claim that the general theme of " poor people are mooching off rich people " is not a commonly held belief on the part of the tea party is simply not credible.

    We have ins uted, at the behest of wealthy people, a system of poor to rich transfers that is quite the opposite of what the tea party likes to think is happening.

    The wealthy in this country can, and DO, pay for the media, think tanks, and outright propaganda, to shape the narrative and take advantage of the self-styled conservatives in this country. Most Republican voters have beceome "useful idiots" to this.

    The wealthy can pay for the consultants and media firms to get out the messages in a way that pushes the emotional hot-buttons of these useful idiots.

    Rich people aren't rich, they are "job creators", is the most recent example. Do you think that new narrative was just a spontaneously thought up term? or was it created by a well-paid K streeter? Figure the odds.

    This is just ONE example, of well paid GOP strategists shaping the narrative to play into the myth of the "American Dream". It is so emotionally appealing that even when we have very solid evidence that being poor in this country at birth will most probably mean you will die just as poor, if not poorer. Work as hard as you like, but you will be just as poor 10 years from now, due to these poor to rich transfers.

    That is simply how our economy is set up. The wart on the backside of capitalism, and the oligarchy that the wealthy in this country are striving, consciously or unconsciously , to acheive.



    Oligarchy (from Greek ὀλιγαρχία (oligarkhía); from ὀλίγος (olígos), meaning "few", and ἄρχω (arkho), meaning "to rule or to command")[1][2][3] is a form of power structure in which power effectively rests with a small number of people. These people could be distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, education, corporate, or military control. Such states are often controlled by a few prominent families who pass their influence from one generation to the next.[citation needed] In his 2011 book Oligarchy, Jeffrey A. Winters defines oligarchy as "the politics of wealth defense by materially endowed actors". In Winters' definition, massive wealth is the key factor in identifying oligarchs.

    Throughout history, oligarchies have been tyrannical (relying on public obedience and/or oppression to exist) or relatively benign. Aristotle pioneered the use of the term as a synonym for rule by the rich,[4] for which the exact term is plutocracy, but oligarchy is not always a rule by wealth, as oligarchs can simply be a privileged group, and do not have to be connected by bloodlines as in a monarchy.
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    http://www.teapartytribune.com/2013/...stamp-economy/

    Case in point. Welfare money being used for strip clubs
    No doubt, there's fraud everywhere. can NY Post and tea baggers come up with %age of public assistance spent on strip club, etc? How big is the problem?

    why aren't tea baggers going after hospitals, docs, clinics, etc that defraud Medicare and Medicare out of $10Bs/year?

    tea baggers are old, white racist assholes, white supremacists agitating against the poor blacks and browns. Whom the tea baggers target blatantly exposes their bogus "patriostism".

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    Examples of poor to rich transfers:

    Home mortgage interest deduction.
    Concentration of stock ownership of stocks and bonds.

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    http://www.teapartytribune.com/2013/...stamp-economy/

    Case in point. Welfare money being used for strip clubs
    Trial by anecdote. A favorite tactic of those seeking to manufacture outrage.

    As boutons rightly pointed out, you will always have fraud in any system, private or public.

    I will never claim that no public funds go to such purposes. That would be dishonest and misleading.

    The important question is what percentage of such funds do awry?

    The real question we should be asking ourselves, if we are to be honest:

    what percentage of assistance are we willing to tolerate being misused?
    Is the current percentage of misuse higher, or lower than the general consensus as to what the percentage should be?


    If, for example, public assistance keeps 19 children fed and out of homeless shelters for every one jackass who spends it on cigarettes, I find that a fair trade off. I also think that such jackasses should be punished, and that good oversight to find and prosecute those jackasses shoudl be a part of the program.

    The exact percentage would have to be soemwhat based on the amount of benefit to the wider economy such programs have, in terms of keeping children and vulnerable poor in more financially/physically secure situtations.

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    Examples of poor to rich transfers:

    Home mortgage interest deduction.
    Concentration of stock ownership of stocks and bonds.

    ???

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    Well meant:

    Look it up. I have to get going, but if you are really curious as to why these are poor to rich transfers, you will have to brush up on economics a bit, and do some reading.

    The concepts aren't too hard, but I can fill in the blanks later, if you would like. My claim, my burden of proof.

    I would hope though, that you might leave your information bubble a bit, and find it on your own. Much more rewarding than being spoon fed.

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    The OP stated that the welfaret dependent poor are the villians of the TP, which you pointed out (). That is incorrect. They are not against the recepients of welfare but the programs. Some might be against it altogether. Some might be against the longevity of it. Most are against the state it is in now, and want it fixed.

    The strawman is against you. Reiterating that the TP are against people and using propaganda.
    Come on, this is disingenuous at best. They certainly vilify certain people on welfare to rile against the overall program (the article you linked is further proof of that).

    It's no different than "Trump buys new luxury boat with his corporate tax savings" or "CEO granted golden parachute after personnel layoffs"...

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    I would like to see all parasites evolve into productive citizens. The problem is, how do we get there. I will contend that part of the process means making the subsidies less, and making the poor more willing to work hard low paying jobs.

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    I would like to see all parasites evolve into productive citizens. The problem is, how do we get there. I will contend that part of the process means making the subsidies less, and making the poor more willing to work hard low paying jobs.
    the poor aren't the problem

    THE PROBLEM : the wealthy 1%'s parasites, wealth extractors, game riggers, rentier capitalists seeking more wealth and power no matter who or what gets screwed, killed, diseased, polluted.

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    lol...WC misses the point of the OP...again.

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    lol...WC misses the point of the OP...again.
    I wasn't responding to the OP. Welfare was brought up.

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    lol...WC misses the point of the OP...again.
    Not to mention the fact that hard low paying jobs is what drive more people to welfare, not less.

    Welfare doesn't only kick in when you don't have a job, programs like food stamps are there to complement earnings of producing citizens that just can't make ends meet.

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    Eat and die, it's the eternal libertarian way.

    early adopters chop off other people's heads, in the big libertarian family goat .

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