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    I don't think it's fair to analogize a law school to a casino

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    No offense FWD
    None taken. There are ways to make a good living as an attorney -- even in a recessed economy and even in a state that is legislating away civil litigation -- without living in Houston or Dallas. But I think you'd better be pretty good at what you do and very flexible about what you're willing to work on. I changed jobs right about the time the economy went into the crapper and have managed to make a living in SA even as the market for lawyers and the amount of litigation has diminished. But I know there are a lot of people out there who are hunting for work and willing to take just about anything. And whereas it seemed my lawyer friends were frequently changing jobs before 2008 or were staying in place only to try to gain a partnership, most are now staying put even if partnership isn't available to them.

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    Because this country was founded by lawyers who designed the country to be one of "laws not men"

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    You don't go to law school to make 50-80k
    Eh, some of us knew we were public-sector destined. But if that was the case, it was best to get some sort of tuition assistance, look into loan forgiveness, etc.

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    I'd my pants if I made 50k to 80k. , I'd probably fill up toilet full of if I made that much.

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    That's pretty good. Depending on the city, it's not uncommon for partners at big firms to make between 600-1MM
    LOL...

    I'll bet some of these same graduates expect to be a partner right out of school too...

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    SA has a godawful legal market. I'm not surprised at all the median is 78k
    , I make more than that as a parts changer.

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    LOL...

    I'll bet some of these same graduates expect to be a partner right out of school too...
    Nobody expects to graduate and be made partner.

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    not just law or arts grads, it's damn near all grads

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    the economic recovery is perpetuating the trend of college graduates turning to minimum wage jobs. Though there has been significant employment gains, many recent college graduates have been forced to resort to low-wage, low-skilled jobs. There are now 13.4 million college graduates working for hourly pay [4], up 19 percent since the start of the recession.

    According to the Department of Labor, there are about 284,000 graduates [3] with at least a bachelor’s degree that were working minimum wage jobs in 2012.

    "Lower-wage occupations were 21 percent of recession losses, but 58 percent of recovery growth.

    Mid-wage occupations were 60 percent of recession losses, but only 22 percent of recovery growth."

    http://www.alternet.org/print/educat...lled-graduates

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    SA has a godawful legal market. I'm not surprised at all the median is 78k
    Eyup. The glut here will spread elsewhere.

    It has not gone unnoticed in the business press. Too many lawyers.

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    I considered going the law school route for about 10 minutes before I decided to do engineering. I had a really good Jewish friend (not sure why that matters but Jews have always given me good advice) who was a couple years older and I asked him for some advice about law school/engineering/med school. He told me that the difference between law school and med school is that there are no bad med schools. There are different tiers of course (Johns Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, Stanford) but there aren't any "bad" med schools. He ended up going to Memphis Medical (an "average" med school), graduated and got accepted into Brown Residency. Residency programs dont really care where you went to med school, they care more about how well the person performed in med school and how well they interview for the residency program. If you make it into med school and graduate, you're going to have options.

    Law school is a different story. There are some straight up clown schools no better than your local community college. Law degrees have become like marketing degrees. There are so many of them that the degree isn't what's important anymore, it's all about where the degree came from. That's the true indicator of how much a person learned and how prepared that person is to contribute to a firm/company.

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    I considered going the law school route for about 10 minutes before I decided to do engineering. I had a really good Jewish friend (not sure why that matters but Jews have always given me good advice) who was a couple years older and I asked him for some advice about law school/engineering/med school. He told me that the difference between law school and med school is that there are no bad med schools. There are different tiers of course (Johns Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, Stanford) but there aren't any "bad" med schools. He ended up going to Memphis Medical (an "average" med school), graduated and got accepted into Brown Residency. Residency programs dont really care where you went to med school, they care more about how well the person performed in med school and how well they interview for the residency program. If you make it into med school and graduate, you're going to have options.

    Law school is a different story. There are some straight up clown schools no better than your local community college. Law degrees have become like marketing degrees. There are so many of them that the degree isn't what's important anymore, it's all about where the degree came from. That's the true indicator of how much a person learned and how prepared that person is to contribute to a firm/company.
    med school and any course program you wish to take into all have curriculums that have to meet the standards for todays workforce, so it really doesnt matter the tier of the ins utions cause it all comes down to funding and what they teach and what you learn....once u graduated its all about work experience and networking....but if you goto a country where there is a shortage of doctors in rural or country towns you can earn really big bucks

    at the of the day its all about content how much u wanna earn and how much u love ur job you willing to sacrifice where you wanna be placed

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