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is this another thread where TAMUKdropout comments without knowing the facts?
Don't get pissed at me because your dumb ass can't ing read.
I looked at the part of FKLA's thread(Why cant the '2nd best PF of all-time' even lead his team to the playoffs ?), and wanted to know if Mav fans blamed Cuban for failing to surround Dirk with a better supporting cast? Meaning I Wouldn't blame Dirk, if the Mavs don't get into the playoffs. I would put the blame on Cuban.
Wow. only thought this Pego had a semen shield on here.
A) Dirk missed 40% of the Mavs games this year
B) When Dirk played, the Mavs are 23-22, which is about a 38-36 record, half a game outside of 8th seed
C) When Dirk played 30+ minutes, the Mavs are 18-15 (he started off not being in game shape when the rest of the league was already 1/4 in the season), which projects to 40-34, good enough for 8th seed in the west.
additionally, Dirk didn't really get into a normal groove until about mid-February. Mavs have been 14-9 since around that time. And only in the past 2-3 weeks has he looked anything remotely like the Dirk we are all used to seeing.
A full year with a healthy Dirk, and he gets this team a 5th or 6th seed most likely, perhaps even with a shot at 50 wins, especially after looking at the stats you have provided
Dirk missed 29 games, troll. If he plays a full season, they get in.
And they would be right and you are ill-informed and don't know what you're talking about. You do realize that Dirk was just as good, if not better, in 09 when they lost in the second round as he was in 2011? Outside of the Finals in 06 and the first-round flameout against Golden State he's been a legendary postseason performer.
Also need to realize Chandler was the defensive anchor and really "changed the culture" of the Mavs the same way OKC thought Perkins would.
You would think somebody watching Kobe in his prime having to carry Smush Parker and Chris Mihm would understand the concept that one player all by himself cannot win a championship.
In what universe is prime KG better than prime Dirk?Calling _irk the 2nd best power forward of all time is a joke.
^You in' your mother is a joke too, Fin.
Ya in' hump, you.
What ing Mavs fan in his right mind would think Dirk is to blame for a championship team being dismantled? And this is obviously a troll thread to begin with considering who made it. Your explanation is rejected, you're still a dumbass.
KG and Dirk is apples and oranges to me...best way I could explain it is its like comparing Scottie Pippen to someone like Ray Allen. Allen is a better scorer than Pippen and could be the go to guy on a le team maybe but Pippen is so much better than in defense, rebounding, passing its hard to compare. KG couldn't hit big shots or carry a team offensively like Dirk but he in another galaxy in terms of rebounding, passing, defense.., best to not even waste time with the comparison
Dirk is a better rebounder, passer and defender give him credit for. Sure, KG is better than Kirk in all of those areas, but KG really wasn't that much better a passer than Dirk is, nor is he that much better of a rebounder.
Dirk can carry a team offensively in the postseason, and he has proven that multiple times. KG cannot, and that has also been proven.
From a team building perspective, it is much easier to find rebounders and defenders to supplement a dominant scorer with average to above average abilities in the other areas, than to find a scorer to supplement a rebounder/defender/passer.
Dirk gets unfairly criticized in 06 (the calls were legendary, right next to 02 Kings), and again in 07 (he doesn't match up well with the GS players). Do people criticize Shaq for averaging 21.5 ppg vs. the Spurs because Duncan, Robinson and Rose was there to limit him and the Spurs entire game plan was to stop Shaq and Shaq alone? Of course not, because the Lakers won with Kobe Bryant and Fisher stepping up, so why would Dirk get criticised when GS geared their entire defense to stopping him, and none of his teammates stepped up?
Dirk is an average defensive player, KG is maybe a top 10-15 defensive player of all time. Lol @ the idea that DPOY are just easy to come across. Asamof that's exactly what Chandler was and Dirk almost waited until his career was over to find him. KG was also averaging 15 rebounds a game try picking one of those types of players up of FA wire. It's a really stupid comparison imho but if you like to sit around thinking about this stuff all day then go ahead
I heard a rumor that UTSA opened a Taco Cabana on campus.
I believe it.
I never said picking up a KG is easy, I said picking up a Chandler is easier than picking up a Pierce + Rondo, which is true.
Dirk needs a guy like Chandler, and an older than granite Kidd to win a le.
KG needs a guy like Pierce and Rondo to win a le.
Now you tell me, is it easier to pick up a Chandler + Kidd, or is it easier to pick up a Pierce + Rondo.
It's also hilarious that you decide to dwell on a topic that you deem as stupid.
KG is not a better passer than Dirk. In another league defensively and a better rebounder, sure, but not a better passer.
Garnett was a great passer, but his better assist totals were due to his non-elite scoring ability. He passed out of necessity. Dirk could always pass well but when his team gave him the ball they wanted him to score, not pass.
Plus Dirk would probably have like 500 more assists in his career if he didn't have to spend most of his prime watching Stone Hands Dampier fumble easy buckets out of bounds.
Well, I would say Dirk was a great passer, especially for a PF, but Garnett was probably one of the best passers at the PF position.
Yeah, lets go ahead cherry pick KGs last two years were he had basically grown tired of Minny after they failed to re-sign the only significant help he had had there.Also, KG didn't miss the playoffs when 50 wins was required to make the playoffs. 05-06 the 8 seed won 44 games, 06-07 the 8 seed won 42 games. KG led his team to 33 and 32 wins those years, far tier in his prime than Dirk with a crap team past his prime.
With a horrible supporting cast Old Ass Dirk > Prime KG
Even if he was an average defender, which he wasnt for much of his career...that doesnt mean he affects that side of the ball. He merely isnt a liability.
See this is what you Dirk jockers dont get...Dirk never was and never will be in both Duncans and KGs class. Diggler is a great offensive player, HOFer, and all that but out this eras PFs he was 3rd behind both TD and KG...nobody in their right mind valued Dirk higher than KG (except maybe Cubes) during the early-mid 2000s. Why? Because KG was not only a 20 ppg scorer but one of the best defenders of all-time. Same with Duncan. If you dont see how that is more valuable than just a great offensive player than I dont know what to tell you tbh.
Great logic, dumbass. 'KG wasnt as good of a scorer so out of necessity he passed more, thats the only reason KG had more assists.'
He averaged 21-25 ppg during his time in Minny while he was averaging 5+ apg. Its not like hes a like he was some limited scorer. By that logic I could say Dirk average one or two more points per game because he was a limited passer so he shot more.
Yeah, lets go ahead cherry pick KGs last two years were he had basically grown tired of Minny after they failed to re-sign the only significant help he had had there.like you didn't cherry pick a year where Dirk grew tired of Cuban destroying the team after failing to re-sign the significant help he had here. Not to mention Dirk being out for a month to start the year and spending another month playing while still rehabbing his knee.
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dirk's probably the best 7'0 scorer since bird and he has no reason to not play to his strength imho, and for sure defense ain't his strength. in terms of team successes, KG's biggest achievement was an WCF appearance as the #1 of his team and the rest years they were nothing better than 1st round fodder, while dirk managed to carry scrubs to the NBA finals twice and made the 2nd round multiple times with the next best being Josh howard or a 38yr old kidd. TD and KG both have their own strengths and weaknesses and it's really hard to say who's sheer better than the others among these three tbh. and if you insist that dirk is not as good as TD or KG due to him not playing an all-round game, then you're probably also one of the spurs s who think manu > kobe tbh. as Kobe is up there in the hall of top 20 players of all time, dirk too.
Like I said I wouldn't bother comparing the two because they have such different players with different strengths its a waste of time to me...if mental masturbation is your thing then go for it.
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