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did they perform an act that is calculated to influence of affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion?
You don't think the dc snipers were terrorists?
did they perform an act that is calculated to influence of affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion?
just realized who qualifies for their own Federal Definition of Terrorist
what a great nation
The wing-nut Islam nuttery begins...
http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affa...oston-bombingsRep. Pete King (R-N.Y.) called for “increased surveillance” of Muslims on Friday, saying the Boston Marathon bombing suspects' links to Chechnya represented a “new front” in the war on terror.
“Police have to be in the community, they have to build up as many sources as they can, and they have to realize that the threat is coming from the Muslim community and increase surveillance there,” the chairman of the House subcommittee on Counterterrorism and Intelligence told National Review. “We can’t be bound by political correctness. I think we need more police and more surveillance in the communities where the threat is coming from.”
He went on to suggest that the two suspects' Chechen background and Tamerlan Tsarnaev's visit to Russia last year suggested increased radicalization of the Chechen community. The two brothers immigrated to the United States in 2001 from Kyrgyzstan, and the FBI has so far not released any evidence that they did not act alone.
“There’s never been any history of any threats emanating in this country from the Chechen community,” King told the Review. “So in a way this opens up a new front in the war.”
My logic dictates that motive would be the defining line of what kind of terrorist they are. If you are prepared to accept that their (apparently radical) Islamic belief system was a motivating factor then how would you define it.
BTW, I think these kids were the manipulated tool and not the mastermind.
Well, considering the grade of explosives they had in their possessions, do you really want to stay open to that thought? They at least know someone connected.
Probably true, but now Boutons, Dan, and a few others will claim the FBI gave them the stuff.
They were radicalized muslims.
The problem is that there's a big distinction between your regular, average muslim and the radicalized variant.
There's millions of muslims in America. Asserting they're all potential terrerists is no different that asserting that every gun owner is a potential criminal.
It's just a broad generalization that makes no sense and doesn't solve any problem.
no one should make that assertion, but there is a faction of that religion known as islamic supremacy that murders in the name of Allah.
This thread contains many examples of such assertion being made:
They are muslim
They just set off two IED's that killed and maimed hundreds of Americans
Their social networking hints heavily at religious motivation
It's simple logic.
When you don't point out it's the radicalized faction that's the problem, you're putting everybody in the same bag.
Gotta side with CC and 2cw on this one. There's a very high probability that they did what they did because of religious fervor. That doesn't, however, mean that the senator who's linking this with immigration policy is correct. He's still an idiot, and he's probably saying this because he knows his base will lap it up.
All religion is misguided and illogical, but I have no problem saying that Islam is easily the most intolerant and damaging of them all.
Note that there are good reasons for why Islam is different from other religions. Islam is much younger than Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, etc and is therefore comparable to Christianity of a few centuries ago in terms of intolerance, fanaticism and violence. Islam, more than any other religion, is linked with prolonged military aggression whereby Muslim rulers used faith as a tool to conquer and convert non-Muslim lands (Christians did this, but not as much and not as recently as Islam).
I've heard that sometimes the parents want a better life and love America, but troubled teens look for what they left behind, not knowing. It's hard enough being a teenager. Not making excuses, but I found this interesting:
link: Three Cheers for Ruslan Tsarniof
Has this video in it:
Fair enough. At least we can't be fooled with the Anti-Islam movie line anymore, well some can.
you all immi- ing-grants who came to this country shamelessly for all the welfare and opportunities it gives you, no matter illegally or not. most illegal immigrants are satisfied with their lives as long as they have some austere place to live in and some garbage food to eat. they might do crimes when they're so financially stressed they have to rob a retailor for a few hundred dollars in order to sustain their cheap lives, but no of way would you see or hear any mexican blow up a building or shoot random students for fun tbh
furthermore, legal ing immigrants generally have higher social status than average americans and they always try to make as much influence on US politics as they possibly can, making it easier for even more immigrants to encroach on this country and eventually you ers will replace the strip-star banner with a flag that has 5 yellow stars in a red background in the sky of washington D.C.
while stupid americans are still patronizing wal-mart to impoverish their country even more...
still, if they did not try to influence or affect government policy with their actions, then by Federal Definition, it's not terrorism
I said this long ago. If it is proven that they were used as puppets by a terrorist organization or even helped or trained, then this is most definitely terrorism.BTW, I think these kids were the manipulated tool and not the mastermind.
typical Iowa/rural Repug asshole, all bad faith, look-at-me-be-an-asshole, piss-on-govt, all the time
Iowa, 3M farmers
Maybe the whole world shouldn't move in together. Looks like the guy who got carjacked had one of those "coexist" bumper stickers with all of the religious symbols on his car. Can't even LOL.
http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2013...p-coexist.html
Weird they let that guy live.
and you know that's the motive how?
not saying it isn't plausible, but how can we know at this point?
I suppose it's just a common Muslin prank, they play on others?
You're right to point out we can't, but it's inevitable to want to sort out the flood of content the media has dunked us in, I reckon. Grassley sure seems to be banking on it.
I'm noticing that while one pattern seems to be emerging from the various accounts (the prior FBI interview allegedly done at the behest of a foreign gov't worried the older brother was preparing to join a terrorist Muslim group on their soil, the alleged increasingly radicalized beliefs/behavior of the older brother and his mother, etc.) that points towards jihad Islam as being a factor of some sort, there seems to be a second tide of information emerging this morning (which may just be the left's way of trying to defuse racial tensions) suggesting this was a spree carried out by a "typical" sociopathic dyad.
As you say: who knows? Maybe it's both, and their pathology is tarted-up in religious faith like the DC Snipers or the Ft. Hood guy... and like them, these guys were ed in the head in equal/higher proportion to their zealotry. Maybe its neither, and journalists are just processing the material through the lenses of 9/11 and Columbine. All's I know is that even without all the facts, I have trouble with the pure ideological radical angle, if only because the two didn't martyr themselves (what's the point of being in a radical Muslim death cult if not to be delivered to a better world for your "heroism?"). Further, the fact that they targeted an athletic event as opposed to a strategic infrastructural/symbolic target doesn't jibe with their being organized radical Muslims or politically motivated terrorist cells we've seen in the past.
''diversity is our strength''
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