Celtics: Doc Rivers Needs to be Fired

[Koolaid_Man]

He cannot be both the best coach in NBA history and lucky as at the same time. You have to credit his success to either coaching or luck. If you split it, you diminish both. What coach has be more lucky than Phil? Phil inherited a team that made it to the conference finals. He inherited MJ and Pippen. He inherited Tex Winter and the triangle offense. He then took a couple years or so off and inherited one of the wealthiest franchises in the NBA, along with the most unstoppable center since Wilt and a young superstar in Kobe Bryant, and Tex Winter with his triangle offense. He was then gifted Pau Gasol after failing to make a mark without a dominant presence in the paint, losing to the Suns in a barely above .500 season and seeing Bryant, his superstar, crying to S.A. Smith about being traded.

I'm not saying he was horrible, but he wasn't the best coach just because he had the most success as a coach just as Fisher wasn't the best PG just because he had the most success as a PG. We can allow that Horry isn't above MJ or Kobe or even Vince Carter, but he has 7 rings. Why then can't we allow that Phil isn't above Riley or Larry Brown or Pop or Sloan or Nelson even though Phil has all those rings?

ohhh stop huffing and puffing because you got your ass paddled.... So what makes a good coach? and whatever your answer is to what makes a good coach how can you say that Phil didn't do it better than anyone else given the ego's he's had to manage. That alone should get him the nod.

[DMC]

ohhh stop huffing and puffing because you got your ass paddled.... So what makes a good coach? and whatever your answer is to what makes a good coach how can you say that Phil didn't do it better than anyone else given the ego's he's had to manage. That alone should get him the nod.

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You did get your ass lit, D.

tee, hee.

[DMC]

You did get your ass lit, D.

tee, hee.

Weren't you trying to find a way out?

Notice you haven't mentioned Doc one time. Instead you and the other Post Pau alts have been red assed and piling on. The scathing truth brings out the roaches. Not one of you has offered a decent rebuttal.

[Koolaid_Man]

Weren't you trying to find a way out?

Notice you haven't mentioned Doc one time. Instead you and the other Post Pau alts have been red assed and piling on. The scathing truth brings out the roaches. Not one of you has offered a decent rebuttal.

Doc has an old team...minus Rondo...plus Melo has a date with Bron...

Go Melo

[DMC]

Doc has an old team...minus Rondo...plus Melo has a date with Bron...

Go Melo

The . KG is no older than Duncan. Paul Pierce is no older than Manu.

You telling me Manu is better than Pierce or are you saying Tim Duncan is better than the entire Celtics team?

btw, didn't you quit already? You gave your notice.

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Weren't you trying to find a way out?

Notice you haven't mentioned Doc one time. Instead you and the other Post Pau alts have been red assed and piling on. The scathing truth brings out the roaches. Not one of you has offered a decent rebuttal.

Sorehead.

[DMC]

Sorehead.

Quitter. You and ES have that in common, but at least ES is just trollin'

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Quitter. You and ES have that in common, but at least ES is just trollin'

You can dish itPERIOD

[venky]

So does any discussion actually take place or is it just trolling.

I think Doc Rivers is a good coach. Not great, but certainly not bad. He does know how to manage minutes and he's good at designing plays from an X's and O's standpoint. I know I'd love for him to coach the Lakes.

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I think Doc Rivers is a good coach. Not great, but certainly not bad.

You sound like "Hank Kimble." lol.

[DMC]

You can dish itPERIOD

You're a bit sore now. That's what happens when you call the election early.

[DMC]

So does any discussion actually take place or is it just trolling.

I think Doc Rivers is a good coach. Not great, but certainly not bad. He does know how to manage minutes and he's good at designing plays from an X's and O's standpoint. I know I'd love for him to coach the Lakes.

Assistant coaches manage minutes, assistant coaches draw up plays. Coaches make decisions on which to use when. Doc is overrated. There's a slew of better coaches in the NBA, especially in the West.

[Thebesteva]

Most overrated coach in NBA history other than Phil Jackson.

Phil Jackson is overrated now?

[Latarian Milton]

black coaches are all overrated to different extents imho. they may have a good run in a season but you never expect a to achieve perennial success with your team like phil in chicago & LA, Pop in san antonio or jerry sloan in utah. it takes more than just basketball knowledge to be a successful head coach imho.

[racm]

So does any discussion actually take place or is it just trolling.

I think Doc Rivers is a good coach. Not great, but certainly not bad. He does know how to manage minutes and he's good at designing plays from an X's and O's standpoint. I know I'd love for him to coach the Lakes.

You have to admit "let Rondo pass up fastbreak layups to pad assists" isn't good coaching though.

[DMC]

Phil Jackson is overrated now?

As being the best coach ever... absolutely. As being a great coach, no.

It's well known Phil has been overrated for quite some time.

On to Doc:

Thibs is a better coach.

[racm]

As being the best coach ever... absolutely. As being a great coach, no.

top 5 coach, yes. top 3 ego motivator, yes. Xs and Os,though? Despite what upstairs say I'd still take Pop.

Phil bailed out whenever his stars grew too old or too uncoachable.

[DMC]

top 5 coach, yes. top 3 ego motivator, yes. Xs and Os,though? Despite what upstairs say I'd still take Pop.

Phil bailed out whenever his stars grew too old or too uncoachable.

Phil cultivated a career without challenges. Big ing deal. I don't see anyone going on about how great Sam Jones was, he has 10 rings.

[Arcadian]

1. Ugh, this thread quickly became overrun with Laker s who felt the need to rush in and defend Jackson. off, you rats.

2. Interesting take on Rivers - I'm not sure what to think of him personally, but why in particular do you think he should be fired?

[DMC]

1. Ugh, this thread quickly became overrun with Laker s who felt the need to rush in and defend Jackson. off, you rats.

2. Interesting take on Rivers - I'm not sure what to think of him personally, but why in particular do you think he should be fired?

1. He's been teetering on retiring to Orlando for a few years. That's a coach not committed to anything but getting paid.
2. He's played the painfully truthful role to the tee, but he's not played the good coach role worth a . Scratchy voice and forthrightness doesn't equal good coach.
3. He's a nagger, always nagging the media.

[Proxy]

ST seems to have expertise in calling out coaches. I guess anyone can make a case in terms of play calling, but I'm sure the assistant coaches could make up for it if that were the case. Doc seems to be respected and has the ability to motivate the team. That's more than most of the league so who do you replace him with?

[HarlemHeat37]

So does any discussion actually take place or is it just trolling.

I think Doc Rivers is a good coach. Not great, but certainly not bad. He does know how to manage minutes and he's good at designing plays from an X's and O's standpoint. I know I'd love for him to coach the Lakes.

Rivers is a good motivator, he's not a good X's and O's guy, tbh..

He doesn't have an offensive system, Boston's offense has very little creativity, even with Rondo..Boston's entire offense with Rondo consisted of Rondo holding the ball and waiting for an illegal screen to develop in an attempt to pick up a cheap assist..

Boston's offense with Thibodeau(2007-2008 to 2009-2010): 10th, 6th, 15th..
Boston's offense post-Thibs: 18th, 27th, 24th..

Bulls' offense prior to Thibs' arrival: 27th, 15th, 26th
Bulls' offense since Thibs' arrival until Rose missing the season: 11th, 5th..

Rivers is the same coach that was nearly setting records for basketball anemia prior to Thibodeau and the Big 3's arrival in 2007-2008..

Also, for such a great motivator and leader, he did a terrible job handling Rondo and Ray Allen's feud..

[racm]

Phil cultivated a career without challenges. Big ing deal. I don't see anyone going on about how great Sam Jones was, he has 10 rings.

Everyone automatically discounts the Russell-era Celtics because the league was so small them. In that case, why not discount the second three-peat Bulls for stomping all over an expansion-diluted league?

1. Ugh, this thread quickly became overrun with Laker s who felt the need to rush in and defend Jackson. off, you rats.

2. Interesting take on Rivers - I'm not sure what to think of him personally, but why in particular do you think he should be fired?

I think like he's trying to get the most out of an aging core - and judging by how upstairs talks about him...

[Arcadian]

1. He's been teetering on retiring to Orlando for a few years. That's a coach not committed to anything but getting paid.
2. He's played the painfully truthful role to the tee, but he's not played the good coach role worth a . Scratchy voice and forthrightness doesn't equal good coach.
3. He's a nagger, always nagging the media.

Okay, so he just isn't making a positive impact? Is he hurting the team in any way?