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    Even if this was the case, they still need to draft right. Durant was a no brainer, but Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka were all queation marks. It so happen they all developed to become solid players. Assuming the league can tamper the lottery, not all high picks guarantees success. For every Shaq and Duncan, there's Olowokandi, Kwame and Eddy Curry.
    man those guys basically came into the league and got the starting job on a rebuiding team

    if they had been drafted and stuck behind vets, i dont think they would have develop this quick and given a much bigger role

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    Yeah, because if there were 0 calls on OKC in every 4th quarter and 12 per on the other team, that wouldn't get incredibly obvious really, really fast.
    ..... The game's fouls were 26-26....... Really?

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    The more I watch the game the more I'm confused. I could name a dozen series where a little corruption and referee manipulation could actually make it more exciting but everytime, the officials makes some calls that puts any stop into making the game a lot more entertaining.

    The league is not rigged anymore. After the Donaughy whistle blowing case, the league and its officials have been vey careful

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    man those guys basically came into the league and got the starting job on a rebuiding team

    if they had been drafted and stuck behind vets, i dont think they would have develop this quick and given a much bigger role
    It may come as a shock, but this team really did suck when it was in Seattle. It's a miracle that they've developed how they have and that we've still retained Westbrook and Durant after their first contract was up.
    I'm still shocked that Westbrook didn't bolt for LA when he's from the area and he has that mentality to be a Laker and would probably be paid rather well to be one.

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    Monster1776 has been pretty reasonable and level-headed, tbh.

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    Monster1776 has been pretty reasonable and level-headed, tbh.
    Which is surprising because I've already downed a bottle of crown and a cigar. I don't know what's more painful, losing to Houston, or losing to Houston because we traded one of the top sg's in the country to them even though we could of waited a year.

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    Somewhat of a non sequitur but Stern pulling strings for OKC made me think of this



    good . it captures the inanity of the whole situation, plus the weird, seemingly gay emails between Bennett and Stern

    My take on it is that Stern and Clay Bennett made the league look absolutely horrible for what they did to Seattle in '08, and so Stern needed to make OKC be a smash success relatively quickly to make the average sports fan forget about Sonicsgate - hence the series of high lottery picks and the ridiculously favorable officiating OKC gets....
    This is the same conclusion I've come to as well. It doesn't hurt that Durant is great and the NBA loves turning superstars into mythological heroes with officiating, but I think it's also about solidifying the OKC market after the in Seattle.

    the fact that the NBA is determined to screw over Sacramento, one of the most loyal fanbases despite having the worst owners in the NBA, is proof imo that the NBA screwed up the Seattle situation. Not that OKC is a total hole, I can understand trying to put a team in the midwest, but you don't move a team from Seattle to OKC. Stern even said they'll agree to a one year deal with Sacramento, which is kind of bull if you ask me. They really are more committed to Seattle over Sacramento, can't say I blame them but not at the expense of a great fanbase.

    props to Lakesarethebesteva and even Monster1984 for admitting that something shady goes on. At this point, I just don't see how someone can deny it. , didn't Donaghy help out the Spurs against the Suns in 07? , i guess we should thank his gambling addiction. the scary thing about Donaghy is, IIRC, he had a B+ internal grade from the NBA, yet this guy was making money for the mob. That shows you screwed up it is. Even if it isn't a conspiracy, it's a mess.

    I happen to believe it's not rigged but pushed into a direction that Stern et al believes is the most profitable. If it was outright rigged, then most people wouldn't watch. If they left it to chance, well billionaires don't want to leave it to chance. so they try to guide things along to a more suitable, storybook ending if possible.

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    ..... The game's fouls were 26-26....... Really?
    I don't think every game is tilted in OKC's favor. The NBA loses nothing by extending this series.

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    I don't think every game is tilted in OKC's favor. The NBA loses nothing by extending this series.
    And they make more profits by doing so.

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    the league is rigged and you can find evidence for that from almost every lakers game since the all-star break, whereas i don't think there's much to complain about in the ton - OKC series, where the rockets just got curbstomped by the better team

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    A lot of people who live their lives as the victims on here. Always a step behind, a day late, and a dollar short - and it's never their fault. It's always the result of the wrongdoing of someone else, an injustice, a conspiracy. We all know people like this. Every shortcoming in life is never their fault and the success of others is never legit. They're being conspired against and those that succeed are being unjustly aided. And so these people with that viewpoint in life have it with basketball as well. Simple as that. You won't convince them otherwise.

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    man those guys basically came into the league and got the starting job on a rebuiding team

    if they had been drafted and stuck behind vets, i dont think they would have develop this quick and given a much bigger role
    That's true and I agree but at the same time this formula has been tried by a lot of teams starting from scratch amd very few were succesful.

    Milwaukee tried this with Vin Baker, Glenn Robinson and Ray Allen.

    Dallas with Jamal Mashburn, Jim Jackson and Jason Kidd

    Clippers came out every season with fresh talents, see my sig and none made any noise.

    Chicago with Tyson Chandler, Curry and Jay Williams. I think Ron Mercer who was drafted 5th may have been a part of that core too.

    GSW had Webber and Spree. They even had Hardaway and Mullins both veterans to guide them and that was a failure too.

    Maybe its luck too but Presti's blueprint is pretty damn good. No amount of tampering can translate success when you're dealing with lottery picks. They could turn out to be a bust or your prospects could suddenly turn into glass as the Portland Trailblazers over the year have demonstrated too.

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    A lot of people who live their lives as the victims on here. Always a step behind, a day late, and a dollar short - and it's never their fault. It's always the result of the wrongdoing of someone else, an injustice, a conspiracy. We all know people like this. Every shortcoming in life is never their fault and the success of others is never legit. They're being conspired against and those that succeed are being unjustly aided. And so these people with that viewpoint in life have it with basketball as well. Simple as that. You won't convince them otherwise.
    You can keep spamming this butthurt rant every time the word "refs" is mentioned, but it doesn't change the fact that NBA refs are the most corrupt in sports....

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    Only one team in the NBA is allowed to play stiff defense against the Thunder, and that is the Miami Heat. Call it what you want, but that much was clear in last year's playoffs. OKC went from all time great offense in the WCF to garbage in the Finals. Miami's defense is not that good, and OKC's offense is not that streaky.

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    didn't Durant get called for an offensive foul in the final minute of the game?
    /thread
    Stern wants to extend the series as much as possible for revenues. In the end he will let OKC win.

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    If you talk to any low end NBA basketball player they will complain about how bad the officiating is. I can remember a conversation with a guy that used to play with the Spurs about how the older guys in the league told him that they would rather play in Europe if it weren't for the fact they were payed so well in the NBA. He didn't believe it but after a few years he held the same views. It's a well known fact that refs allow more popular players to get away with certain things to benefit their play style because it draws ratings, and OKC isn't the only team that benefits from this.
    Low end teams get more bad calls. I agree with that. Also, the Thunder far and away get more calls against any team, but the Heat. This is why you live by the ref, you will die by the ref. As long as the Thunder rely on officiating as much as they do they never will beat the Heat in the championship playoffs.

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    Low end teams get more bad calls. I agree with that. Also, the Thunder far and away get more calls against any team, but the Heat. This is why you live by the ref, you will die by the ref. As long as the Thunder rely on officiating as much as they do they never will beat the Heat in the championship playoffs.
    No, I meant specific individual players in the NBA were largely frustrated with how refs give All-Stars superstar treatment; not just lower end franchises. A lot of players hate Stern and all think its rigged.

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