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Pacers could have certainly used Leonard this season with Granger out.
He and Carter would have been an amazing core in Toronto, but McGrady wanted his shots. The second he got to Orlando and got his shots he also stopped playing defense despite showing signs of being a truly elite defensive player in his Toronto days. McGrady was happy to be Iverson rather than Pippen.
Pacers could have certainly used Leonard this season with Granger out.
Hill is not a Pg.
Does not have the handles, the ability to get his team spaced properly or the vision. He does not open up shots for other players by directing traffic, nor does he move properly off the ball to do the same. He does not understand the proper angles to use the high or low pick and roll effectively... It is a litany of attributes that are lacking.
And Carter was never a Jordan. Just never had the desire.
Carter and Tmac is a terrible core to build off
2 high volume shooters with the same skills at the same position
ideally you want guys who play different positions
Spurs model is probably best where you get an elite big elite PG and elite 2/3
Yeah, I can see that side. It's debatable whether or not that was a better team than Orlando, though. We know they'd have probably won that game 7 that Vince decided not to prepare for in order to attend graduation if TMac had been there.
In his defense, he did want playing time. He wasn't going to get it behind Doug Christie and Vince Carter. He was 21, had sat on the bench his rookie season, then watched his rookie cousin take what he thought was his spot in the lineup.
T-Mac was the most talented player I ever saw live. There's no doubt he skated by on his ability and never played to his potential. With the benefit of hindsight, we know neither of those guys was Pippen, let alone Jordan.
McGrady was awesome playing the 3, so he wasn't going to be stuck behind Carter and Christie. TMac had long since won the starting job by the time he left, and Toronto mostly ran Christie at point by then. I think McGrady could have been every bit as good as Pippen. He was a pretty fierce shotblocker at the position in his Toronto days and his agility was off the charts. Good rebounder too at SF. I could understand him leaving if Toronto wasn't offering a max contract or if he was pissed at them giving Camby away for a 35 year-old Oakley, but everything I heard at the time was about him wanting shots and to be the #1 guy on his team. If he's advising Kawhi I hope he's saying not to make a dumb mistake at age 20 by hunting personal glory.Yeah, I can see that side. It's debatable whether or not that was a better team than Orlando, though. We know they'd have probably won that game 7 that Vince decided not to prepare for in order to attend graduation if TMac had been there.
In his defense, he did want playing time. He wasn't going to get it behind Doug Christie and Vince Carter. He was 21, had sat on the bench his rookie season, then watched his rookie cousin take what he thought was his spot in the lineup.
T-Mac was the most talented player I ever saw live. There's no doubt he skated by on his ability and never played to his potential. With the benefit of hindsight, we know neither of those guys was Pippen, let alone Jordan.
Didn't that Hill trade get us the rights to Davis Bertans and Lorbek?
Last edited by CaptainLate; 05-02-2013 at 05:30 PM.
Good thread tbh, 21 pts
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