Sooner fans uneti !!!
Now I guess there is someone who is looking up a team's roster & picking a name out of that year's class so they can say, "I played for them & I am ashamed to name them but I gave my opinion."
Like it matters.
Throws like a girl & runs like a deer, enough to win the Rose Bowl huh?
So, a fast girl beat Mich then?
Such insight.
Interesting logic. I ask you to explain why my loyalties matter, and you "explain" by asking my question right back to me. Well, I'll say this -- I'm not the one around here who's giving USC props for doing my team's dirty work.
My team doesn't have a dog in this fight. That's why it's not relevant.
I did play for my school, but I assure you, it wasn't for your ass.
Your shame astounds me. NOT!
and your ignorance me.
Anyone that can't admit USC was the best team the last 2 yrs has serious issues.I'm not the one around here who's giving USC props
I can admit that.
But I've been a UT fan & attended games longer than you've known how to spell son.
That is common sense..I guess you were an athlete & NOT a STUDENT athlete if that isn't obvious.
I just find it amazing that this has turned into a "USC did our dirty work" thread and a "What school do you support" thread, and there's no real discussion of why Vince Young is a better running QB than any of the following guys:
- Mike Vick
- Tony Rice (oh, yeah, we said that VY would be better in the pros -- obviously, since VY isn't a pro yet, that must prove that he is a better running QB than Rice ever was)
- Jamielle Holloway
- Tommie Frazier
- Eric Crouch
- Turner Gill
- Dee Dowis
just to name a few collegiate guys who could run it without really being passing threats.
And we haven't even begun to consider the quarterbacks who actually bother to throw and run, and who could dominate games -- guys like Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper, John Elway, Roger Staubach, and Charlie Ward, just to name a few.
Let's stay on topic.
I have never questioned whether USC was the best team in the last two years or not. My point has nothing to do with the quality of USC's football team. It has everything to do with the disingenuousness of ripping OU for losing badly to USC, when the team that you support hasn't beaten OU in how many years?
When I was a student-athlete, they taught me that an opinion would be better respected if it had at least a modi of support in logic. I guess that lesson hasn't reached your section at DKR Memorial Stadium yet.
Congratulations, though, on your long term loyalty to the UT program; it's good that you maintain your support.
Ardent - warm or intense, passionate, zealous, radiantmy ardent support goes to the Division I team that I actually PLAYED for
Seems as though ardent isn't what it used to be.
I find it amazing this has turned into a "I talk but when I called on it I curl up" thread.
Now let us clarify, I take the running QB le to mean pros & college & not the 2 different. Correct?
Yes, let's stay on topic.
ALL the players you've mentioned are older than VY.
It should be noted that VY is a JR to be & I STATE NOW FOR ALL TO SEE that he will be better than all except Vick.
I also want to ask, when we say running QB we should take into account the offense each team ran. Some teams run or ran an O designed for someone who couldn't pass & was an athlete who played the QB position but wasn't a QB per se.
Interesting job of deflecting yourself from the very question that you created by running behind USC.
I do ardently support my team; but the iden y of my team has no relevance to this discussion, unless you REALLY want to start talking about Ivy League football.
Sure enough. But there's a dearth of great running QB's in NFL history, in the sense that this thread presents. In fact, I can't think of more than maybe 1 or 2 guys in the history of the NFL that could run, but couldn't throw it at least passably, from a mechanical standpoint. Hence, the topic is almost, as a matter of cir stance, limited to collegiate QB.Now let us clarify, I take the running QB le to mean pros & college & not the 2 different. Correct?
Yes, let's stay on topic.
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What the difference does that make -- the question was whether VY is the greatest running QB of ALL-TIME. Unless there's some different definintion of ALL-TIME that prevails in your section at DKR Memorial Stadium, ALL-TIME is generally accepted to mean all who came before and all who are currently in existence. Thus, those who are older than VY would be part of the "Greatest Running QB EVER" discussion that this thread asked for.
Better than Elway? Staubach? McNabb? Culpepper? Flutie?It should be noted that VY is a JR to be & I STATE NOW FOR ALL TO SEE that he will be better than all except Vick.
I think, if he remains a QB, he'll be fortunate if he has a career like Kordell Stewart's.
So what? The question in this thread is "Is Vince Young the Greatest Running QB Ever?" It's not whether Vince Young is the Greatest Running QB among guys that Mr. Dio considers to be actual quarterbacks. If you want to have that discussion, I'd suggest that you start a new thread.I also want to ask, when we say running QB we should take into account the offense each team ran. Some teams run or ran an O designed for someone who couldn't pass & was an athlete who played the QB position but wasn't a QB per se.
Frankly, I don't think Longhorn fan has started enough Vince Young threads in this forum.
You obviously don't want to stay on subject so I won't.Interesting job of deflecting yourself from the very question that you created by running behind USC.
Then name them clown! Football is football.I do ardently support my team; but the iden y of my team..blah blah blah
Or, get back on subject.
I've tried to -- you're the one whose so adamant about knowing who my team is, without any explanation for your own hypocrisy. That's fine.
Again, do you really want to talk Ivy League football, Mr. Football?Then name them clown!
Your shame is your drama..You should stick to it because football is king in Texas.
Not just a specific league, pro, college, high school.
You won't step up that is fine.
You should stick to Ivy League threads or start you own for yourself.
You know very little of UT or Texas, Pro football.
You still can't answer any of the questions at hand, can you?
If it burns you so badly -- if it will encourage you to discuss the topic at hand instead of jumping on me, which I doubt -- I'll tell you that I played football at Columbia University in the early 1990's.
And by the way, I know plenty about Texas football -- I played my high school football in San Antonio. Two of my teammates played at UT. One is a star in the NFL.
This thread isn't about Texas football, though -- it's aout whether Vince Young is the greatest running quarterback ever.
oh, i can afford a few trips to ohio, if i wanted to. but i dont spend my time following the team of a school i didnt go to.The trip will be priceless..If you got off your ass & had a job you'd be able to afford the trip too!
yes, you have plenty of those.
You know nothing of being a fan then.oh, i can afford a few trips to ohio, if i wanted to. but i dont spend my time following the team of a school i didnt go to.
You should be a Mavs fan or something. All show & no go.
You can't afford jack , not that being poor is wrong..But being a Dumbass Pussy is wrong..Too bad so sad.
...and you were neither a student nor an athlete so shut the up.
Don't recall that you had to do that to be a F-A-N!...and you were neither a student nor an athlete so shut the up.
So to support Indiana/Celtic basketball you had to live in that city/state or go to that school? You are a M_O_R_O_N!
STFU dumbass Pussy.
oh i can afford plenty. what funny is how much you think you are hot while you run around flashing your gity hook em sign and posing as an alumnus of that university.
im starting to gain more respect for texas because its apparent that their idiot asshole fans were never educated there to begin with.
And my hypothesis proves true.
Hey, FWD & Ignorant Pussy are posting together!
How cute!
I feel honored that 2 pussies would have to try & double team me!
These 2 pussies won't name what team they favor though. THAT is guaranteed.
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