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    RG and boutons will be all over this Canadian, Red-State-Right Wing self-radicalization of back bacon fellators!

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    the militia movement seems to be gaining steam but its hardly the 1990's.

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    Bacon Fellation. Next album le fer sure.

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    the militia movement seems to be gaining steam but its hardly the 1990's.
    Waxes and wanes. You're right...doesn't hold a candle to the 90's.

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    I don't think you have been listening to the histrionics on the right in the last few years. The record sales of guns and ammunition speaks volumes. You yourself saw the information bubble that many people on the right have shielded themselves in. It is not dissimilar to that of the conspiranuts who seem incapable of looking outside that bubble.

    I toodle around the internet and am amazed at the kinds of websites out there that push this stuff, they are myriad and many of them are taking on an increasingly hyterical tone, and the right-wing media are feeding that.

    It is a toxic soup that should be worrying anyone.

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    Waxes and wanes. You're right...doesn't hold a candle to the 90's.

    I beg to differ. As I said in my previous post, I have noticed a very decided uptick in such activity in the last few years. I make it a point to see what is being said by a variety of viewpionts, and it is very obvious to me. My experience appears to be borne out by others research.

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    The Second Wave: Return of the Militias
    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informe...f-the-militias

    Radical-right wing groups reach all time high
    http://www.salon.com/2013/03/06/radi...all_time_high/

    While the more mainstream anti-government Tea Party movement faded from view as the GOP co-opted it in the past few years, the action has moved to the fringes, where the number of radical right-wing Patriot groups reached an all time high in 2012, according to a new report from the Southern Poverty Law Center. What’s more, it’s the fourth year in a row that the record has been broken.

    Conspiracy-minded Patriot groups first entered the public consciousness in the 1990s with the rise of the militia movement, and then the Oklahoma City bombing. Now, the SPLC is warning government officials that they see eerie similarities between the current era and that leading up to the bombing.

    “As in the period before the Oklahoma City bombing, we now are seeing ominous threats from those who believe that the government is poised to take their guns,” the group’s president, Richard Cohen, wrote in a letter sent Tuesday to Attorney General Eric Holder and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.

    The number of Patriot groups peaked after the bombing in 1996 at 858, before falling off steeply and remaining low under George W. Bush. However, since the election of Barack Obama, the number of groups tracked by the SPLC has skyrocketed and continued to climb.

    Last year, the SPLC found 1,360 Patriot groups in the country — up more than 500 over the ’96 peak — including 321 militia groups.



    Meanwhile, the number of hate groups the group tracks — which includes some arguably mainstream conservative groups like the Family Research Council, in addition to more radical groups like white supremacists — remained over 1,000.

    The SPLC blames the resurgence on the down economy (hate and radicalism always tick up when things seem desperate), along with the election and reelection of Barack Obama, a push on gun control, and racial tensions over immigration and the declining power of white America.

    “Another factor driving the expansion of the radical right over the last decade or so has been the mainstreaming of formerly marginal conspiracy theories,” notes senior fellow Mark Potock. Indeed, one needs only watch Fox News for an hour or read a Morris column to see that. And conspiracy theorizing seems to have reached new heights recently.

    The big fear is that some of this will lead to violence — or rather, more violence. The incidents are too often ignored or viewed as isolated from each other, but there has been much more right-wing terrorism than most people probably realize, from the Sikh Temple shooting, the Holocaust Memorial shooting, the Pittsburgh police shootings, of any of the dozens of attacks on law enforcement officers.

    But the people in the federal government responsible for stopping it are poorly equipped to deal with the threat. In part, that’s because Republican lawmakers, stoked by the Tea Party, neutered a Department of Homeland Security task force that was supposed to track homegrown radical groups. After a conservative uproar over a leaked report that warned about the rise of right-wing radical groups in the wake of Obama’s election, DHS relented. It repudiated the paper and dissolved the group responsible for it.

    “DHS is scoffing at the mission of doing domestic counterterrorism, as is Congress,” Daryl Johnson, the man who led that task force, told Wired last year. “There’ve been no hearings about the rising white supremacist threat, but there’s been a long list of attacks over the last few years. But they still hold hearings about Muslim extremism. It’s out of balance.”
    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informe...es/2013/spring

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    the militia movement seems to be gaining steam but its hardly the 1990's.
    No. It is worse, and arguably so.

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    Obama gun control agenda helps fuel 'explosive' rise in extremist groups


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...tremist-groups


    The Second Wave: Return of the Militias

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informe...s#.UYfQLqKPPDM

    less gun fellators, "kill the n!gg@s and Jews and Messcans" super patriots, "sovereign" assholes, etc, etc

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    I don't think you have been listening to the histrionics on the right in the last few years. The record sales of guns and ammunition speaks volumes. You yourself saw the information bubble that many people on the right have shielded themselves in. It is not dissimilar to that of the conspiranuts who seem incapable of looking outside that bubble.

    I toodle around the internet and am amazed at the kinds of websites out there that push this stuff, they are myriad and many of them are taking on an increasingly hyterical tone, and the right-wing media are feeding that.

    It is a toxic soup that should be worrying anyone.
    Fringe. Look it up.

    And you are correct. I don't listen to the extremist nutbars on the far right.

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    Anyone who thinks the problems in this country will get solved by anything short of a violent revolt is delusional. The only way politicians will stop acting corrupt and/or people at the top stop corrupting politicians is if those people fear for their lives. Unfortunately, the 30% of this country that wants an armed revolt (aka the tea party mouth breathers) doesn't have the slightest ing idea why there need to be an armed revolt. They support an armed revolt is because they can't stand the sight of a black guy boarding Air Force One while Glenn Beck/Alex Jones have them convinced President Django Unchained and his army of Kenyans are coming to take away their guns. If 30% of this country wanted an armed revolt because of income inequality, a corrupt tax code, collapsing infrastructure, etc., that would be a good thing. The problem is intelligent people who know the real problem in this country have too much too lose where they'd be stupid to start calling for an armed revolt.

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    President Django!

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    Waxes and wanes. You're right...doesn't hold a candle to the 90's.
    note that it waxes with Dem Pres elections, esp n!ggas, and waned with dubya/ head. the militias only distrust and hate Dems, not Repugs, not govt in general.

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    Lol @ RandomGuy with data from SPLC.

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    Fringe. Look it up.

    And you are correct. I don't listen to the extremist nutbars on the far right.
    The number of such groups has risen tenfold in the past 5 years.

    When does the fringe stop being the fringe?

    Don't be so quick to go into apologetic mode.

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    Lol @ RandomGuy with data from SPLC.
    LOL ad hominem.

    LOL didn't read anything.

    People like you make my case for me. You aren't a radical, but you forward the emails and are part of the problem.

    You aren't a total nutbag, but you give the nutbags the kind of feedback they need to self-radicalize IMO.

    (shrugs)

    We'll see, I guess. You won't like to admit that the right wing terrorists are terrorists of course, but that won't make the police officers and victims any less dead.

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    The number of such groups has risen tenfold in the past 5 years.

    When does the fringe stop being the fringe?

    Don't be so quick to go into apologetic mode.
    lol apologetic mode.
    Don't be so quick to go into apoplectic mode.

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    No. It is worse, and arguably so.


    There is my counter-argument.

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    lol apologetic mode.
    Don't be so quick to go into apoplectic mode.
    The question remains.

    When does the fringe stop being the fringe?

    At what point would there have to be enough violence for you to conclude there might be a problem? You don't seem to think that there is enough now, from what I can gather.

    It is a serious question.

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    The question remains.

    When does the fringe stop being the fringe?

    At what point would there have to be enough violence for you to conclude there might be a problem? You don't seem to think that there is enough now, from what I can gather.

    It is a serious question.


    Not so much

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    There is my counter-argument.
    Easily countered itself:

    Sheer fatalities is an inadequate metric.

    Since 9/11 we have become MUCH more aware of the problem, both from domestic terrorists and the muslim nutters.

    The fact that the body count is less today owes less to the sheer nuttiness of the current political climate, and more to the vastly increased effectiveness of law enforcement in preventing such things, don't you agree?

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    RG is obsessed with right-wing extremists -- they're everywhere!!!

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    off, unless you have more than three words to contribute. I wasn't really talking to you, but feel free to answer the question if you like.

    If you don't accept that white male right wing terrorism is a problem, then what would it take for you to reach that conclusion?

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    The question remains.

    When does the fringe stop being the fringe?

    At what point would there have to be enough violence for you to conclude there might be a problem? You don't seem to think that there is enough now, from what I can gather.

    It is a serious question.
    For such a serious question, it seems to be remarkably malformed.

    It's a problem. Extremism, in and of itself is not necessarily a problem. But the subjective characteristics that make up or define extremism is fairly plastic. That's a problem.

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    Easily countered itself:

    Sheer fatalities is an inadequate metric.

    Since 9/11 we have become MUCH more aware of the problem, both from domestic terrorists and the muslim nutters.

    The fact that the body count is less today owes less to the sheer nuttiness of the current political climate, and more to the vastly increased effectiveness of law enforcement in preventing such things, don't you agree?
    There needs to be some data points between sheer nuttiness and vastly increased effectiveness. I'm not seeing any to back up this correlative statement.

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