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it. Start Tmac....
Good call OP.
it. Start Tmac....
A sick Tim Duncan is still better than any other big on our team fully healthy.
As mentioned in another thread...
Thank God you're not running this team.
Good post. Would read again.
I will contact my man RC Buford and see if I can hook you up for the Spurs head coaching gig after Pop retires.
Duncan started out this series with a stomach virus. Thats why he doesn't seem as effective as we would like him to be. But I wouldn't bench him for the shear fact that hes is getting over it and I expect him to wake up any moment.
Yep that p n r that the GSW are running is killing the Spurs. Between Bogut, Landry and Ezeli, they are getting a whooping 15 points a game between them. Most of those points coming on put backs. Yep Timmy getting raped. Bonner sucking big time. Diaw cant handle them. Splitter is just too damn slow.
I wish some of you folks would at least find some proof of your comments before you make complete A $ $ of yourself.
I understand the reason of this thread...BUT, Tim is playing great.
Any defensive improvement the Spurs COULD get when he is out, will be out weight by the offense we lose.
So I said NO, keep him playing.
What I want to see is a little more Baynes, given that Tiago doesnt look 100%. And if Tiago is not scoring, Baynes can probably do a better job rebounding...like I said, only because he is not scoring. Hopefully that changes on Sunday and Tiago kicks ass!
awww but what fun would this board be without the mocking of these complete ASSes
BUMP
Duncan was great on defense today, maybe even dominant, stupid timing for a bump..
Offensively. Missed free throws, missed open jumpers, late in the 4th Bogut played some good D which made him miss at least 3-4 consecutive shots. It just wasn't his day offensively which is rare.
He is only shooting 41% but Tim is giving us 21 and 11 a game this series and 80% FT.
Wow so much epic fail here
OP is an embarrassment for us GNSF...can he become light grey?
BUMP.
Good job Pop.
BUMP.
Good job Pop.
Lame
IMO Duncan is hurting. He keeps dragging the leg and cannot even elevate the 2 inches he used to be able to earlier in the season.
this along with Parker's bangedupness and Kawhi's knee is the most troubling aspect
Agreed. I believe Duncan next season will be coming off the bench. Spurs fans better be prepared. This long playoffs plus any injuries he's fighting off and a short offseason, this man will be aging very quickly heading into 18th year and year 38. Spurs have got to capitalize this year with whatever Duncan has left. Hope he can get you through Memphis which is moreso a series for him.
The good news is Duncan isn't needed against Miami just like against Golden State. (There is no way Duncan can defend LeBron or Wade off of a Miami pick and roll. Need Splitter or Diaw's mobility for that).
GO SPURS AND THANKS DUNCAN FOR THE MEMORIES.
How many games did Splitter play more minutes than Duncan this series? That would probably be a good indicator whether or not Pop agree with you tbh.
BUMP.
Good job Pop.
Spurs with Kawhi without Duncan scored 33.6 points more per 100 possessions.
Duncan was a pure liability. Look at his pure shooting percentage. Feeding Duncan the ball in the post and watching him go to work is not going to win you games. Especially considering he is not getting double teamed which means there are no baskets off of cuts or kick outs when you do that. Do I want to see Duncan back Gasol down with 3 dribbles 1 on 1? No. Do I want to see him take 17 footers all game? No.
What I would like to see is Diaw and Splitter cutting and moving setting screens and making the defense rotate to set up threes. Is Tim Duncan really going to get you more than 1 more additional offensive rebounds vs Diaw or Splitter would? No. So I just don't see any advantages of Tim Duncan beyond having him fresh and taking up some offensive possessions in the first quarter for 8 minutes and to start the 3rd for 8 minutes.
Basketball is changing. The league is going towards 5 Kawhi Leonards instead of guys on the extreme ends of the spectrum like a Steve Nash or a Dwight Howard. The game is becoming super versatile, super floor spread. Jackie Butler, Harrison Barnes, Paul George. Ideally, you have 3-4 of those guys on the court at the same time. A team of 6'4, 6'6, 6'7, 6'7, 6'9 is far better than a traditional Chris Paul + DeAndre Jordan type combo's. Offenses can isolate 'mismatches'. Ala take out Duncan on the pick and roll. Post up Tony P. The only way to counter that is to put out a ton of Kawhi Leonards.
Tyson Chandlers of the world are now absolutely overvalued in a scientific Advanced Stats league. So are Kendrick Perkins. And I'm sorry but Tim Duncan's defensive mobility on pick and rolls can be exploited if you pull him out.
This is why Tiago and Diaw are so effective. What is important now on Defense is defensive spacing and cutting off lanes and showing on screens and being able to move around. So the fact that Tiago is not strong in a full out wrestle for a board is far less important than the fact that his feet and arms get to spaces before the offense does. This is also why he's so good at spacing and rolling on offense. 90% of Tiago's contributions offensively and defensively are made without a touch of contact with anyone.
The numbers from the GS series backs me up. This is why Manu Ginobili is so underrated especially in his prime.
He is extremely tall for a 2 guard so he never gets posted. He's yet quick enough to move around on defense. He can shoot and he can create and he can handle.
Charlie Sheen let me apply some simple logic for you.
How would a team with 5 Tony Parkers do? What about a team with 5 Tim Duncans? What about a team with 5 Kawhi Leonards? Which team wins? Kawhi's would dominate in today's NBA. Why would the other teams lose? cause Tony Parker can't defend the post and Tim Duncan cannot defend the perimeter. Obviously both have offensive shortfalls such as Tim Duncan can't shoot threes or handle / Tony Parker can't post up. But when you are on offense, your team has the ball so you can play to your strengths.
HOWEVER, when you are on defense, the other team will OF COURSE TRY TO EXPLOIT YOUR WEAKNESSES. ADVANCED STATS of today's world will constantly scan for an opposing teams weakness. And they will try to get Tim Duncan playing defense on the perimeter and try to have Tony Parker play defense in the post. As this trend grows, teams with players such as a Steve Nash or a Dwight Howard will get EXPOSED HARD.
So yeah the Spurs are flawed and Tiago isn't the perfect player either blah blah but it's irrefutable that Tiago is a better defender than Tim Duncan. And you can't be old school and look at who can hold their position in the post stronger or who can box out harder. It's all about minimizing the other team's ability to exploit you.
Look at who is left in the playoffs? Blend teams. Why do people anecdotally say you cannot win a championship with a PG? Why do people anecdotally say the Center position is not as important as it was in the 70's. (SHOOTING SKILLS FROM 3 WERE FAR LOWER BACK THEN! SO BETTER TO POST UP!)
teams with a Ricky Rubio, Chris Paul are flashy and cute but can't win. Basketball isn't about if you can defend your position anymore. I don't only care that Duncan is the best defender of other power forwards / centers. If you're a point guard, I don't only care if you are a good defender of point guards.
It's about cross defending. In a league where teams exploit mismatches. It's about how well can Dwight Howard defend Tony Parker not how well he can defend Tim Duncan.
Offenses have become far more intelligent. So if I'm the Spurs, I acquire as many Kawhi's as possible. Hence great trade of them to get rid of GHill for Kawhi. We need 3 of those types on the floor at the same time.
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