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LOL same here! I mean Lance is one of the greatest athletes out there, but he irritates the crap out me too!
I know his whole story and I know that he has helped a lot of people. And believe me, I've lost enough close relatives to cancer to be near to his cause/story. But it doesn't mean that I have to like him. In life, some people (or their public personna) can irritate you. They might be good people in many aspects of their lives, and they might be horrible people in other aspects. But it doesn't mean that everyone has to love them.
LOL same here! I mean Lance is one of the greatest athletes out there, but he irritates the crap out me too!
Sorry about your Mother there Jimbo. She sounds like a nice lady. My old man was lucky, he got over bladder cancer in 2003.
The positives of Lance's story are what should be remembered about him.
I love Lance.
Oh, and I'm so sick of people bagging on sports that are "unamerican". ASF, the next time you're able to run 90 minutes back and forth on a soccer field or bike thousands of miles in mountains without a break let me know. The reason they can't do it all at once is because IT'S REALLY ING LONG.
Don't be as dense as those damn corn chips you deliver.
A real man can do it for 80 minutes and push a scrum......the next time you're able to run 90 minutes back and forth on a soccer field...
***Cough***Eva Longaria***Cough
I've heard from people that have met him that, and I quote, "his ego can fill the entire room".
You're right, you don't get it. It's the greatest test of human endurance in sports on this planet. The only thing that even comes close to it is the Ironman Hawaiian Triathlon.I just don't get the whole Tour de France thing. It's a bunch of one day races all won by different people, none of whom is the "overall leader".
You don't get why they can't do it all at once? It's TWO THOUSAND miles, dumbass.
It's funny, I hear this whole "conceded" talk, but I've met the guy twice - once back when he was an amateur rider (some friends of mine used to ride and I actually raced in a race at Ft. Sam where Lance rode and won), and again after his second tour victory (a bud worked for his charity foundation and I tagged along at one of their events and met him there too), and he didn't come across as arrogant.
He does come across as someone who knows he's good at what he does if you want to talk cycling or sports, but just as a casual guy he's pretty cool to talk to.
Let Kobe Train For 6 Months, And He'd Take It To Lancey Pants In The Next Tour De France.
Let Kobe Train For 6 Months, And He'd Take It To Lancey Pants In The Next Tour De France.
I usually root for Lance to win.
That said, bike riding or whatever you want to call it isn't really a super compe ive sport. How many people do you know who grow up saying they want to ride a bike through the mountains for a living? As far as sports that are trained for in the world, I'd be shocked if it was any higher than 20th.
He's good at what he does but outside of France and some other European countries, there isn't that much compe ion.
P.S.
I'm also not convinced that Lance is or has always been clean.
That's not surprising. He has a rep of being an arrogant y asshole to women. Since you aren't one, then I'm sure he was cool.It's funny, I hear this whole "conceded" talk, but I've met the guy twice - once back when he was an amateur rider (some friends of mine used to ride and I actually raced in a race at Ft. Sam where Lance rode and won), and again after his second tour victory (a bud worked for his charity foundation and I tagged along at one of their events and met him there too), and he didn't come across as arrogant.
Good point. Although if my wife was cheating on me while I was off halfway around the world winning something like the Tour de France (and giving her a nice big bank account to play with), I'd probably be pretty jaded towards women as well.
Nice spin. Most accounts are that he cheated on her throughout the marriage.Although if my wife was cheating on me while I was off halfway around the world winning something like the Tour de France (and giving her a nice big bank account to play with), I'd probably be pretty jaded towards women as well.
When a person who has accomplished what Lance Armstrong has done it is not unusual for them to feel at awe of themselves. Lance is in a class by himself and thus none of us can possibly know what if feels like to be "Lance Armstrong" and as much as some of us don't like to admit it or give him his credit,
6 straight Tour de France victories is an amazing feat.
However all of us will get the "I simply don't like him/her" feeling from time to time and that is perfectly normal. But there is a reason why we get that feeling and we must ask ourselves, "Selves, why does this person make me want to up-chuck everytime I see them?"
Look inside and listen to the little man or woman inside you for the answer.
I wonder if AggieHoopsFan would like Lance as much if he knew Lance was a Democrat(more or less), and is against the Iraq war.
He also doesn't care about basketball...
Lance is a grade A asshole...and I think that's what I like about him...I probably wouldn't like him personally...but I like the fact that he doesn't put up a front and isn't afraid to be an Ahole...
What I like most about him...
1.He beat cancer...he beat the crap out of it...and that should be an inspiration to every single person on this planet...forget the bike riding...
Whether you like the guy or not...he is a legitimate symbol of hope...one of the greatest ever.
2. He's dominating the Tour de France at the best possible time
I think it's a cyclist thing, most of them are aholes. Greg LeMonde is an ashole too...they are a primadonnaish group.
I disagree vehemently with TimVP and others on how challenging cycling and especially that race is...It's brutal and torturous...
It's like a 3 week triathalon....
Go run a triathalon and see if you think it's easy compared to other sports...me? I'll take basketball any day of the week.
timvp didn't say it wasn't physically challenging. He said it wasn't compe ive -- meaning not a lot of people participate in it -- not a lot of compe ion.I disagree vehemently with TimVP and others on how challenging cycling and especially that race is...It's brutal and torturous...
It's like a 3 week triathalon....
Go run a triathalon and see if you think it's easy compared to other sports...me? I'll take basketball any day of the week.
I'd be more interested in Armstrong's accomplishments if I took the time to understand the rules of the compe ion.
Lance tore them up today and that is why he is so freakin' awesome.
There are 200 people in the race...how is that limited compe ion?
People die in that race several times a decade, racers break their collar bones, the arms, legs and kneecaps on an annual basis...
Many of them eat pavement face first while wearing shorts and going 50 miles an hour on a bicycle...
I'd much rather play a game of basketball...
And on the drug thing...he probably did do them before cancer...and he probably get some kind of strength/immuno enhancing drug during treatment...but post treatment?
I don't buy it...
The drug he is most often accused of taking is EPO, that is a drug that has side effects on the order of kidney infections, blood clotting, and chest pains...
Since chemotherapy also attacks the vital organs and can cause heart failure...
I don't see Lance wanting to do that during a 3 week long torture trial...
Steroids? Didn't Lyle Azado get a form of brain cancer from steroid usage?
Didn't Lance already have brain cancer?
Isn't there scientific evidence that prolonged usage of steroids(various kinds) can cause certain forms of cancers? As well as organ damage?
Don't cancer and it's treatments often do that same type of damage?
Didn't Lance already have Cancer? and Chemotherapy?
Again...some steroids are used in the treatment of cancer...but I don't think any doctors reccoment their usage after you are cancer free...
If you had cancer in your brains, lungs and nuts...would you be doing drugs that might be linked to other forms of cancer?
I wouldn't.
Maybe his dominance is due to the fact that the pain he had to overcome in surving cancer and getting chemotherapy treatment, and facing probable death...is far greater than any pain he has to face in the sadomasochistic exercise that is the Tour De France...
Maybe it's a mental thing...and he's already been through the depths of ...which makes the Tour de France the lighter side of to him, a day at the beach...
All I know is that he has been tested "randomly" about 5 or 6 times in this race already...he's never failed a drug test...he is the most tested athlete in the world...he's on record as requesting the testers to save his urine samples so they can test him at a later date using future technology...
What more can the guy do to prove he doesn't take them?
Last edited by whottt; 07-12-2005 at 08:50 PM.
Come on, Whottt. You are either not as bright as I thought or you are trying to side step the point.
P.S.
I think you broke the record for most questions asked in a post. I'm not convinced that he's on something or has been on something, but retiring right now doesn't help his cause. Get out while his name is still good, perhaps?
I dunno where it ranks...but I bet it's more popular than the NFL world wide, it's probably more popular than snow skiing and stuff like that...I mean everyone has a bike at some point in their lives.
I'd say it's definitely in the top 20 but I am not going to claim to be certain...
I still don't get your point totally though...
Golf is probably the 3rd or 4th most popular sport in the world...but I'd say it's probably got fewer true athletes in it's compeitions than cycling does...
I think you broke the record for most questions asked in a post. I'm not convinced that he's on something or has been on something, but retiring right now doesn't help his cause. Get out while his name is still good, perhaps?
If Lance wins the Tour de France this year he'll be the oldest champion in modern history...
The oldest man ever to win it was 36...
I don't consider it spin. He initiated the divorce when he caught her cheating on him. The anti-Lance slant is that he was cheating on her, but I have enough faith in some people that were a lot closer to what happened than the media to believe otherwise.
I could care less about all that. What he's done as a cyclist is remarkable, and what he's done as a cancer survivor is even more amazing.I wonder if AggieHoopsFan would like Lance as much if he knew Lance was a Democrat(more or less), and is against the Iraq war.
He also doesn't care about basketball...
As for the war, there's a difference between healthy disagreement and relying on every nutjob psychofascist online source you can find to do your thinking for you (NBADan).
lance is one bad dude! not even when he was 80% could anyone beat him.
and he is the most tested athlete of any sport. he is clean. he attributes it to cancer. he says when it hurts, the remembers the cancer/treatments/etc and nothing on the bike could compare to that... so when other riders feel the pain and slow down, lance keeps on...
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