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I wonder if the protests are being fueled by the syrians...
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Last edited by turkish spurs fan; 06-02-2013 at 09:18 PM.
I wonder if the protests are being fueled by the syrians...
this protest is not like any others. so original, so cleverly managed. againts police terror, young people from many sides showed a great civil resist. we succeded our challenge not to be owned by a political party. we showed recep tayyip erdogan you can not do what you want. you have to listen your all people. having power made him like a dictator. my english is not well enough so i can not tell myself good enough.
no syrians. so far from.
Germans hate Turks. Not sure bout u tho tbhIf only you guys had been up in arms to save the poor Armenians
I'm guessing it no more about the shopping mall as world war 1 was about an assassination of Franz Ferdinand.
the Ataturk center is to be turned into a mosque, heard on NPR.
the park to be developed into business is about the last green space in that area. Surely the business developers greased lots of govt/mullah hands to destroy the park.
2 questions if you dont mind? Are you muslim and if you are im assuming your sunni, second question, what are the reasons behind these protests?
first question, i am a sunni muslim. this situation doesn't keep me from protest the state-police terrorism. turkey state always made terror againts his own people in history, including muslims, non-Muslims, kurdishs, ermenians, so others. as a muslim and as a human, it is my duty to protect anyone againts state terrorism and pressure.
second question, goverment (ak party) claims that marginal organizations are behinds this. but they re wrong. i watched the process of the first 2-3 days so close. it wasn't like goverment claims. they re trying to make this protest is seculars are behind. we all (my friendson on social media and streets) tryed to protect from this. but with their media they re trying to do that. it is still not clear if they will succeed or not. it is processing.
mashallah
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Last edited by turkish spurs fan; 09-18-2013 at 10:20 PM.
Yeah, Erdogan has certainly been trending toward the dark side
Any sense where the Armed Forces are on this matter? They can get meddlesome when they don't like what's going on.
this is another example of the American Government being able to save lives in the middle east but not caring. Turkey has been an American puppet for years and one call from the White House would end the violence asap.
turkish govt might listen to USA, but protesters wouldn't, so the Turkish govt would keep battling the protesters.
I wish you luck.
That part of the world does not need another theocracy/dictatorship, and Erdoğan worries me.
Turkey is a great example of what can be achieved by ignoring the stupider parts of religion, IMO.
Turkey has, by far, not been any kind of "puppet". They have been in the US/Nato corner since WW2 simply because it was better than being a soviet satellite.
They have been genuine friends for most of that time, from my understanding, and rightly so as one of the more democratic countries in that part of the world.
That said, the violence is being driven by a politician who is benefitting from economic growth, and thinking that he can do anything he wants without being held accountable.
He has systematically moved to consolidate power in a rather alarming way, and this is the outgrowth.
Sad to say that the US has less influence here than you might think.
Bingo.
For those who care, the litany of stupidity from the current Turkish president:
http://www.economist.com/news/briefi...n-his-rule-and
He got lucky and rose to power during a time of great economic progress that he had little to do with, but got to take credit for.
In response he has moved towards a religious-themed dicatorship in a way that has alarmed many within his country and without.
The park was the spark, but there was a large stack of dry kindling nearby.
I doubt his government will survive this.
turkey was managed by kemalist ideology and armed forces always was the real goverment of turkey. ak party's power come from the reaction of the public againts armed forces and kemalist ideology. for example recep tayyip erdogan was in prison because of just reading a poem. after recep tayyip erdogan been president, his party made the military coups passive and most of people live in turkey supported them. this was great.
it is good turkish armed forces not talking anything. most of old commanders are in prison and they deserved it.
now, i warn erdogan not to use his armed forces (police) againts people. it s not a good thing to do thing what is made againts you before. we r now afraid of when we see police on streets. it s comic.
Last edited by turkish spurs fan; 06-06-2013 at 07:34 PM.
recep tayyip erdogan returned to turkey and made a speech at the airport.
now i am sure,
recep tayyip erdogan lost his control. he will destroy turkey. god bless us.
can be a historical day. tonight.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...51950514196232Turkey's Internet watchdog blocked Twitter Inc. TWTR +0.10% on Thursday, hours after Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan threatened to shut down the social-media site that has become a vehicle for allegations of government corruption ahead of elections.
The move, confirmed by the telecommunications regulator and the state news agency, sent shock waves across Turkey, which is one of the top 10 users of Twitter world-wide with millions of users.
Turkish citizens have increasingly turned to the medium to voice opposition to the government and organize demonstrations as mainstream media have avoided criticism of Mr. Erdogan.
The ban placed Turkey in the company of a small group of authoritarian states including Syria, North Korea and Iran that have muzzled Twitter and other social-media websites in a bid to stifle dissent.
Saw that. Not an encouraging development.
http://qz.com/193533/turkeys-online-...rwellian-turn/Over the weekend, Google reported that Turkey had intercepted traffic to its public domain name system (DNS) service—part of prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s increasingly draconian crackdown against the social media networks that are being used to distribute damaging information about him.
To understand why the DNS interception is so troubling, you have to understand how a DNS works: websites use a simple name, such as IBM.com, for the convenience of users. But then domain name systems have to translate those names into their computer-readable numeric form, such as 129.42.38.1.
When Turkey initially blocked Twitter and then YouTube last week, internet users fought back by using Google’s DNS—even spray-painting its numbers onto buildings and billboards in an attempt to spread the word. But now, to combat those guerilla tactics, Erdogan’s government and the country’s ISPs have taken a scary step that could affect all Turkish internet traffic—and even allow it to track down and punish users who try to evade the ban.
Renesys, which security experts consider a reliable source for information about the plumbing of the internet, says that other free DNS services have also been intercepted.
If blocking Twitter is like putting a single phone number out of service, intercepting the DNS is like giving users an entire, fraudulent new phone book—and it’s a troubling escalation against Turkish internet users.
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