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I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed. Kawai has been unbelievable this series, and is showing flashes of becoming a legitimate all star.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed. Kawai has been unbelievable this series, and is showing flashes of becoming a legitimate all star.
I think the award should be voted by the players on the winning team. Right now, Green is the MVP.
No, Leonard gets and at as much (I think more) help as Green does. Danny has legitimately checked James in the post. Leonard is great at keeping James from making a productive move; Green's the one blocking him. Also, Green's pretty much neutralized James in transition so far, which is pretty shocking considering how great Lebron is on the break.checking him in the low post
anyone can check anybody in the low post, if you have 2 other defenders (one of them always being a 7 footer) waiting to crash on him the second he makes a move.
all green has done is do an effective job of triple teaming lebron. woo hoo
Last edited by Chinook; 06-13-2013 at 02:11 AM.
Yes, actually. Green already has four blocks on James. No one else as any to my recollection:
One in the first game when James tried to go up after a rebound.
One in Game 2 when James thought he had beaten Green by Danny got him from behind.
Two in Game 3. One where James also got blocked from behind, and then Green's straight-up block that led to Neal's three to end the first half.
In general, James has still only scored twice on Green in the post (estimate; it was only one after Game 2), and through two games, Green had allowed nine points in 11 possessions against James and only two points in six possessions in the post. In fact, the only shots James missed in the post last game were the ones on which Green blocked him.
Interspersed with all that post defense were moments of Green absolutely shutting James down in transition. James has only scored once in six attempts against Green in on the break. One led to that questionable blocking call and another was an assist to Wade that Leonard fell asleep on (Leonard fell asleep in transition a lot).
So, yes, Green has legitimately checked James on defense. Has he gone against James at his best? I don't think so. But it's not like Danny is triple-teaming while Kawhi is playing James straight up. Have bigs been behind him? Yes, but not more than they've been when Leonard, George or Butler have been on James. Green is defending Lebron just as legitmately as those guys did, which is really impressive given the size difference. I always think James is just going to barrel over Green, which he probably has to start doing tonight. But so far, Green is also looking like a defensive MVP candidate of the series.
Last edited by Chinook; 06-13-2013 at 10:08 AM.
lol needing constant double and triple team help
He's been so good you cannot even spell his ing name right. How can you give a man an MVP for the Finals when you cannot even recall how to spell his ing name? Obviously he's not been that apparent.
Who was the superstar on that Pistons team who could have gotten the MVP over Billups?fail
I'd take Kawhi so far, but Duncan/Green are not a bad option. long way to go.
Didn't think so... got
If it were Paul George doing what Green and Leonard are doing, then it would be pretty clear he'd get the nod. But the NBA has laid no groundwork for either Danny or Kawhi to become stars. They still consider them role-players. So they'll never get credit for what they do (especially Green, as I'm sure Leonard will be considered a rising star in the next year or two). People will credit Duncan and Pop for the defense on James, people will credit Parker for the threes.
I was commenting on your comment that it would be a "disaster" for the league to choose a non-star
How much of a disaster was it when Billups was picked?
How counterproductive was it?
thought so got
If the Spurs win the g4, he could tbh . . .
No team has ever come back to win the finals from 1:3.
There was no option there. Tony and Tim already have MVPs, giving them another wouldn't violate the superstar agenda.
You tell me. The following year they hand it to Tim when Manu deserved it. The year after that Shaq took Wade and got him one. Then it was given to Tony Parker who had come into his own by then. From there the league found a way to get Garnett, Allen and Pierce on the same team. Ergo the next Finals MVP after Tony was Paul Pierce. Tired of Kobe getting no post season time, they found a way to get Pau Gasol to LA. Then it's Dirk and Lebron.How much of a disaster was it when Billups was picked?
Billups was the only non-star of the group but then who else on the team could have won it? Not saying they shaped the outcome of the series, but that since the media gives these things, they don't pick Danny Green over Tony and Tim. It's not going to happen. They'd sooner deal with the "why didn't Danny get it" than "who the is Danny Green" next season when he's traded before the deadline.
It was very counterproductive. Otherwise Pau Gasol gets it in 2010 with his work against Garnett and his production.How counterproductive was it?
thought so got
And before a couple days ago, no team had ever hit 16 3s in the Finals. There's a first time for everything.
I know T-mac would agree, but still hope the Spurs win that g4. For Miami to win 3 consecutive games, don't know, it seems insurmountable.
Disagree that Manu was clearly the better player in the 2005 Finals. Duncan was the anchor, best defender and he put up some good numbers including a great game 7. I agree it could have been a toss up. I will also agree, when it's a toss up they will pick the superstar.
but if your theory is correct, then they could have easily given the MVP to Sheed (superstar) or Wallace (DPOY, super overrated at the time), or even hamilton (leading scorer I think)
IMO if the nonstar is clearly the better player in a series, I don't see a problem at all him getting MVP
Yeah me too. I cannot even watch parts of these games. I get too involved. I have to find other stuff to do like with people here.
I am a fan of TD, but Manu should have won that trophy. Tim always anchors the defense, doesn't mean he's always the most valuable player of the series.
It didn't matter who they gave it to. It would still be the same non-star type player.
If it's close, they go with the star. If it's blatantly obvious, they do a Cedric Maxwell.
Should the Spurs win the series? There is zero doubt in my mind that he should get it. I mean, just watch these games.
I reiterate this claim I saidddddddddddddddd.
He should be the Finals MVP even if Miami win tbh.
jeebus I think this thread would interest you
The way he has been playing recently, he might loose his starting spot.
give spurs the one-time summer league MVP Matt Carroll and he would crank out the same stats as Danny Green, if not better. shooting lights out one night or two doesn't change his iden y from a role player to a star player imho.
Everyone saw the finals, everyone knows to stay with him now. The tape on Danny Green's moves this year could be a vine clip tbh.
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