Battle of the Bands

[ohmwrecker]

You're game pertaining to what?

Having a polite, mutually respectful conversation. I just doubt that's going to happen with you.

[Avante]

Having a polite, mutually respectful conversation. I just doubt that's going to happen with you.

Ok here goes...

I use music as a drug, I need a fix. I want the sound to take me somewhere, either fit a mood or put me in a mood. Now if you know of a lot of bands/artists you have a wider variety to choose from when trying to get your fix. You aren't as limited as someone less knowledgeable about music. Which brings me to...The Clash. If I'm back at 19 or so I haven't heard enought stuff to know what's really good...yet. At 30, 40 or 50 it's a whole different deal, now you have heard enought to know what's good. It's not that The Clash are bad, it's that there is just far too much out there that's better. Obviously at 19, you'd not aware of this at 30 etc you are.

I can't think of a mood/situation I could be in where...The Clash..is want I'd need to get my fix. Give me one scenario where...The Clash....would be the way to go.

[ohmwrecker]

I can't think of a situation where I wouldn't listen to the Clash. Obviously, it depends on my mood. If I want to mellow out or take a nap . . . probably won't listen to the Clash. I first heard the Clash when I was about 11 or 12, and it instantly resonated with me. It's rock n' roll. Power chords, cool bass lines, solid backbeat, ballsy vocals right from the gut.

The things they were singing about was foreign to a young boy from Texas. They got me interested in world politics, broadened my horizons. Turned me on to reggae. Turned me on to early hip hop. They were everything to me. I had my first mohawk and first telecaster that same year. I thought Joe Strummer was the coolest mother er on the planet. I still love them. It has nothing to do with age. It was never something I wanted to "outgrow".

If anything I outgrew the hokey sixties and seventies lazy, soft rock that you seem to love so much.

[Avante]

As you lnow Strummer was a big fan of Woody Guthrie, who sang about those things you mentioned in the 40's. Tons of old blues talking about racism, murder, social injustice. You sure you listened to music from the 60's? Non political...????

The Clash...did nothing that wasn't done before. They weren't the pioneers of anything. , that old country music telling us about divorce, hard times, da man, can't find a job. You should hear Doc Clayton singing about the war with Japan. Pegleg Howell from 1926...I'll cut yor throat mama, drink your blood like wine. Listen to Victoria Spivey also from 1926 ...Blood Thirsty.

Tons and tons of songs about politcal unrest, violence, hard times, war, murder, ice picks, razors long before The Clash. Listen to Rabbit Brown from 1928....sometimes I think you ought to be buried alive.....James Alley Blues. Rube Lacy in Mississippi Jailhouse Goan, singing about life in prison.

The Clash didn't bring anything to the forefront we hadn't heard before. Nothing unique about them.



The Clash sound like little kids compared to this.

[ohmwrecker]

Sure. It just wasn't until I heard the Clash that it resonated. I was (and still am) a big Dylan fan so, I was aware of politics in music, but I was pretty young and Dylan's lyrics, especially post-folk, were somewhat cryptic. The Clash was more straight forward and they talked about what was happening in the world beyond western civilization.

Obviously, murder, political injustice, hard times, etc. are long, aged themes in popular music. What else ya gonna sing about besides pussy? However, the Clash brought a different perspective on the whole deal. Most Brittish bands before the Clash were just recycling American blues themes. The Clash were coming from a entirely different perspective politically. And, musically, they were melding rock, soul, reggae, dub . . . they were giving Americans a taste of our own culture as it was happening on the streets by putting the origins of New York hip hop in their music.
The Clash were completely and totally original. It's puzzling that even someone who doesn't like their music could deny their originality.

[Avante]

Sure. It just wasn't until I heard the Clash that it resonated. I was (and still am) a big Dylan fan so, I was aware of politics in music, but I was pretty young and Dylan's lyrics, especially post-folk, were somewhat cryptic. The Clash was more straight forward and they talked about what was happening in the world beyond western civilization.
Obviously, murder, political injustice, hard times, etc. are long, aged themes in popular music. What else ya gonna sing about besides pussy? However, the Clash brought a different perspective on the whole deal. Most Brittish bands before the Clash were just recycling American blues themes. The Clash were coming from a entirely different perspective politically. And, musically, they were melding rock, soul, reggae, dub . . . they were giving Americans a taste of our own culture as it was happening on the streets by putting the origins of New York hip hop in their music.
The Clash were completely and totally original. It's puzzling that even someone who doesn't like their music could deny their originality.

First off I don't need someone blending anything. If I want rock, I listen to rock, reggae.....etc. Dr. John was blending and mixing long before The Clash.

Look at the power here.





All I'm really saying is if you've heard a lot of stuff before The Clash they aren't going to dazzle you with anything, if you're new to music, ok ya have a point. Let's be honest Joe Strummer isn't al that as a vocalist, the musicians aren't among the elite. Their lyrics aren't on a level with a lot of others like Bob Dylan, Kris Kristofferson, Towns Van Zandt, Tom Waits.

Sorry but I've simply heard way too much to get too excited over...The Clash.

[ohmwrecker]

Dude, music is all about blending styles. There would be no rock n' roll if no one blended blues and country. I had heard a lot of stuff before the Clash, I just happened to be at a good age, under the right cir stances that they really resonated for me. The music you hear when you are young sticks with you.

Their lyrics are different than those artists you mentioned. That's what's cool about music. All the different voices. It doesn't make them better or worse. It's dumb to say that the Clash wrote bad lyrics. No one who is qualified to analyze or write about rock lyrics is going to take your side one that one, man. Let's take one of your favorites, for example: Aerosmith . . . are those good lyrics?! In my opinion . . . no. Am I gonna say Aerosmith is worthless because they have bad lyrics? Absolutely not. They have their place.

I don't care if you like the Clash or not. This is why this isn't going to work between us. You don't get that this is all very subjective material. You have to be right. You aren't interested in discourse.

[Clipper Nation]

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It's funny how he still claims he acted differently as RaZon yet he actually just posted the same he does now, tbh....

[Avante]

Dude, music is all about blending styles. There would be no rock n' roll if no one blended blues and country. I had heard a lot of stuff before the Clash, I just happened to be at a good age, under the right cir stances that they really resonated for me. The music you hear when you are young sticks with you.

Their lyrics are different than those artists you mentioned. That's what's cool about music. All the different voices. It doesn't make them better or worse. It's dumb to say that the Clash wrote bad lyrics. No one who is qualified to analyze or write about rock lyrics is going to take your side one that one, man. Let's take one of your favorites, for example: Aerosmith . . . are those good lyrics?! In my opinion . . . no. Am I gonna say Aerosmith is worthless because they have bad lyrics? Absolutely not. They have their place.

I don't care if you like the Clash or not. This is why this isn't going to work between us. You don't get that this is all very subjective material. You have to be right. You aren't interested in discourse.

I was talking about a single band trying to blend a lot of different elements, not a movement.

I'm not an Aerosmith fan.

I have gave them a good listen in the last few days. It's just not there for me, they simply don't have the talent, I can think of tons of better bands.

Sorry man, but I can't share your opinion.

[Avante]

It's funny how he still claims he acted differently as RaZon yet he actually just posted the same he does now, tbh....

And here you are still all worried about me, why not post your own threads amigo....instead?

[CuckingFunt]

Come on man do you really think I'm not aware of the fact we all have our on unique personalities and likes and dislikes?

I'm pretty sure you're aware that we do. I'm less convinced you think that we should.

[Avante]

I'm pretty sure you're aware that we do. I'm less convinced you think that we should.

I would bet only you and me know who ...The Cat & A Fiddle were. As you know that was Austin Powell, Jimmie Henderson, Ernice Price and Chuck Barksdale. How come only you and me know this? Then there were the Five Breezes who recorded around the same time late 30's/early 40's. I bet even you have ever heard of....Peanut the Kidnapper....right?

My point is this....

Most aren't into the history/origins of it all when it comes to music. They simply don't care. So they are limited, they don't have the depth to really know what's good or bad. When you've heard everyone/everything from The Cat $ A Fiddle to The White Strips you will an opinion based on a far more diverse range of music. You have depth.

All I try to do is widen horizons, share what has taken me 50 years to ac ulate. I 've been turned on to...

Calvin Russell
Ray Wylie Hubbard
Tom Waits

.....by internet music lovers so yes it happens.

When somebody tells me they dig The Clash I have to question their musical depth. It is hard for me to see someone who really knows music to say The Clash are on their list of must listen.

[CuckingFunt]

My cat's breath smells like cat food.

[Avante]

Here ya go, something only you and me understand.



Peanut the Kidnapper, something only I understand.

[CuckingFunt]

I would bet only you and me know who ...The Cat & A Fiddle were. As you know that was Austin Powell, Jimmie Henderson, Ernice Price and Chuck Barksdale. How come only you and me know this? Then there were the Five Breezes who recorded around the same time late 30's/early 40's. I bet even you have ever heard of....Peanut the Kidnapper....right?

There is nothing in this comment that suggests you've ever even listened to their music or that you had any idea who The Cats and the Fiddle were before I mentioned them. You may have. You may own several of their recordings. I don't know. But it's not at all evident in your comments because you are utterly and completely incapable of discussing music. You recite the names of musicians over and over in the same manner an elementary school student recites the capitals of our fifty states despite not being able to locate any of them on a map; your recitations are as much a discussion of music as the elementary kid's wrote memorization is a discussion of geography.

When somebody tells me they dig The Clash I have to question their musical depth. It is hard for me to see someone who really knows music to say The Clash are on their list of must listen.

And, for the umpteenth time, "I don't like it. Therefore, it's not good." is not a logical argument. If you make a statement that a particular band is bad and/or untalented, but offer no support for your claim other than the fact you don't like that band, I have to question not only your musical depth, but also your general intelligence.

[Avante]

There is nothing in this comment that suggests you've ever even listened to their music or that you had any idea who The Cats and the Fiddle were before I mentioned them. You may have. You may own several of their recordings. I don't know. But it's not at all evident in your comments because you are utterly and completely incapable of discussing music. You recite the names of musicians over and over in the same manner an elementary school student recites the capitals of our fifty states despite not being able to locate any of them on a map; your recitations are as much a discussion of music as the elementary kid's wrote memorization is a discussion of geography.



And, for the umpteenth time, "I don't like it. Therefore, it's not good." is not a logical argument. If you make a statement that a particular band is bad and/or untalented, but offer no support for your claim other than the fact you don't like that band, I have to question not only your musical depth, but also your general intelligence.

I own...When the Sun Goes Down....a series of CD's dedicated to roots music, I have them there. Just one of a number of box sets zeroing in on roots music. Each with booklets on the music/artists,

What exactly are you looking for? I own over 6000 CD's/records/tapes, tons of books on the subject yet I can't talk music?

Hmmmmm?

How many ways can you say...subpar lyrics, vocals and sound? Is there another way?

Here ya go (I have six of these each with a different theme))

http://www.amazon.com/When-Sun-Goes-.../dp/B00006EXLX

[CuckingFunt]

I own...When the Sun Goes Down....a series of CD's dedicated to roots music, I have them there. Just one of a number of box sets zeroing in on roots music. Each with booklets on the music/artists,

What exactly are you looking for? I own over 6000 CD's/records/tapes, tons of books on the subject yet I can't talk music?

Hmmmmm?

How many ways can you say...subpar lyrics, vocals and sound? Is there another way?

Here ya go (I have six of these each with a different theme))

http://www.amazon.com/When-Sun-Goes-.../dp/B00006EXLX

Montgomery
Juneau
Phoenix
Little Rock
Sacramento
Denver
Hartford
Dover
Tallahassee
Atlanta
Honolulu
Boise
Springfield
Indianapolis
Des Moines
Topeka
Frankfort
Baton Rouge
Augusta
Annapolis
Boston
Lansing
St. Paul
Jackson
Jefferson City
Helena
Lincoln
Carson City
Concord
Trenton
Santa Fe
Albany
Raleigh
Bismarck
Columbus
Oklahoma City
Salem
Harrisburg
Providence
Columbia
Pierre
Nashville
Austin
Salt Lake City
Montpelier
Richmond
Olympia
Charleston
Madison
Cheyenne

[Avante]

Montgomery
Juneau
Phoenix
Little Rock
Sacramento
Denver
Hartford
Dover
Tallahassee
Atlanta
Honolulu
Boise
Springfield
Indianapolis
Des Moines
Topeka
Frankfort
Baton Rouge
Augusta
Annapolis
Boston
Lansing
St. Paul
Jackson
Jefferson City
Helena
Lincoln
Carson City
Concord
Trenton
Santa Fe
Albany
Raleigh
Bismarck
Columbus
Oklahoma City
Salem
Harrisburg
Providence
Columbia
Pierre
Nashville
Austin
Salt Lake City
Montpelier
Richmond
Olympia
Charleston
Madison
Cheyenne

That like most of your stuff....stupid.

Keep trying to make some big complex ordeal over taking a crap. Explain in depth why you like red. Break down your love for cheese. It's just ing music it either sounds good or it doesn't.

Let me top your list using prewar bluesmen

Bo Jones
Otto Virgial
King Solomon Hill
Blind Blake
Blind Joe Taggard
Blind Gaary Davis
Blind Teddy Darby
Blind Mamie
Blind Boy Fuller
'Blind Lemon Jefferson
Blind Willie Walker
Blind Wilie Johnson
Geechie Wiley
Bessie Tucker
Ramblin' Thomas
Henry Thomas
Victoria Spivey
Buster Johnson
Tommy Bradley
Nugrape Twins
Elizabeth Johnson
Ma Rainey
Tommy Johnson
Ishman Bracey
Charley Patton
Robert Johnson
Alberta Hunter
Trixie Smith
Gus Cannon
Memphis Jug Band
Jack Kelly
John Hurt
John Estes
Frank Stokes
Pearl son
Furry Lewis
Josh White
Lead Belly
Tony Holins
Big Maceo
Leroy Carr

[CuckingFunt]

It's just ing music it either sounds good or it doesn't.

Even a casual music historian should be able to explain why it does or does not sound good. Or to discuss what about the music they do or do not like.

You are capable only of mentioning, not explaining.

[Avante]

Even a casual music historian should be able to explain why it does or does not sound good. Or to discuss what about the music they do or do not like.

You are capable only of mentioning, not explaining.

It's real easy, Strummer has a very average voice, the band can't write lyrics on a par with elite bands, very average guitar play and drummer. What else can you say?

See if you can find Joe Strummer, he is there.

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/page...vocalists.html


Notice the impact The Clash didn't make.

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/page..._songsddd.html

[DJR210]

You literally have nothing better to do, do you?

[Avante]

Stick to.....

Didn't you just open the exact thread a second ago? This is the guy that admits to sucking timvp's multiple times daily to get bolded.. GNSF at heart tbh.

It's you.

[ohmwrecker]

Notice the impact The Clash didn't make.

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/page..._songsddd.html

list

There are songs on that list that aren't even rock songs. That list was made by someone, like you, who thinks commercial success and record sales are the only qualifier for determining whether or not music is good. The rest are ambivilent, non-commital, "no " choices. Everyone likes the Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin . . . listing bands like that doesn't pass for an opinion that involves more than an elementary appreciation.

[Avante]

list

There are songs on that list that aren't even rock songs. That list was made by someone, like you, who thinks commercial success and record sales are the only qualifier for determining whether or not music is good. The rest are ambivilent, non-commital, "no " choices. Everyone likes the Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin . . . listing bands like that doesn't pass for an opinion that involves more than an elementary appreciation.

Well I've heard Bukka White growl them blues, Jimmie Rodgers yodell his, Elvis rip off black artists, Hank moan his lonesome songs, every rock band who ever recorded, all that Motown stuff, all those obscure rockabilly cats, Jellyroll/Satchmo/Kid Ory. Early Bob Dylan, Woody, Lead Belly......so I hardly have an...elementary appreciation,...and I liked that list.

[ohmwrecker]

. . . Outkast? Dr. Dre & Snoop Dogg? Sugarhill Gang? Madonna? Michael Jackson? Gnarls Barkley? None of those are anywhere close to resembling rock songs and they are listed above London Calling? That list is a joke.