What should the Spurs do with Manu this offseason?

[temujin]

Irrelevant question.

What do the Spurs have to offer that he is lacking?

[elemento]

Re-sign him for cheap

[CitizenDwayne]

he's only going to get worse.

My god, what a horrifying thought.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Not criticism. People on this site are HARASSING Manu. And that's why I have to come up and bat for him. This irrational hate & anger is going over the top.

And like I said, you try to ignore that Manu played with heart and gave it his all. He wanted that ring as much as anyone. How the can you hate this guy, knowing this?

poor Manu we're calling him names on an internet message board that he doesn't even read (read: "HARASSING" ) and all he has to show for it is $100,000,000 in lifetime earnings

Get the over yourself.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

LOL, after years of "He's Manu Ginobli," "you gotta take the good with the bad," and "Manu plays only one way," baby-talk, all of a sudden Manu's going do a 180 and magically transform his busted, broken-down game into a new role. What exactly is that role? For that matter, what role at all can he CONSISTENTLY fill at this point?
He's not Ray Allen...or even Shawn Battier at this point.

The rationale was that we can live with Manu's fragility, increasingly erratic play and declining skills because "He's Manu Ginobli." In other words, a stud that you can count on in the clutch, when it matters.
2013 finals say o. He cannot be counted on. You definitely do not want him on the court in crunch time. He cannot handle the pressure. He cannot deliver.
And he's only going to get worse.

This. I made a joke thread about Manu never scoring 20 points in game about a year ago, but some of those joke reasons are slowly coming to fruition. He doesn't have the shooting touch that someone like Ray Allen has. His shooting is incredibly inconsistent and streaky. , his free throw shooting is inconsistent which is a scary thought. He's not really a lock down defender. Without his athleticism, he can't really penetrate into the paint when he's one of the focal points for the opposing defense. What does he honestly bring to the table now?

[Kidd K]

Bring him back for significantly less pay, but reduce the responsibilities he has on the court. No more 25%+ USG%. It needs to be around 20%.

Bring in a free agent backup PG to help handle the 2nd unit responsbilities with Manu.

Manu should no longer be on the court unless it's as the 2nd best player against the other team's 2nd unit, or as the 3rd best player with Duncan and Tony out there imo.

He's not good enough to be used like he used to be anymore. If you compare and contrast the offensive and defensive ratings of each player on the team, Manu's was 2nd worst of all of our high minutes players last year (He was 7th out of 8 guys total, only Neal was worse) despite having the 3rd highest USG% on the team (way higher than #4).

I wouldn't mind having him back, just for way less pay and a reduced role while bringing in someone new to take the burden off him. And to give us another option when Manu's ting the bed and being too mentally weak to snap out of it.

Even though I still can't forgive him for how ty he played in the Finals, I still think he can be an asset to the team. He just needs to be used properly in reference to his current skill level. . .not in reference to what he used to be able to do.

[dallasmaverickslose]

poor Manu we're calling him names on an internet message board that he doesn't even read (read: "HARASSING" ) and all he has to show for it is $100,000,000 in lifetime earnings

Get the over yourself.

LOL, another irrational Manu hater. Trying to find every possible excuse to talk crap about him, eh? How about you "get the over yourself" and move on from the loss, and reflect on what a great season we had.

[ElNono]

This. I made a joke thread about Manu never scoring 20 points in game about a year ago, but some of those joke reasons are slowly coming to fruition. He doesn't have the shooting touch that someone like Ray Allen has. His shooting is incredibly inconsistent and streaky. , his free throw shooting is inconsistent which is a scary thought. He's not really a lock down defender. Without his athleticism, he can't really penetrate into the paint when he's one of the focal points for the opposing defense. What does he honestly bring to the table now?

Cool story... you know how many 20+ pts games Ray Allen had last season? seven... you know how many Manu had? seven...

[jARS mEsH sEt]

LOL, another irrational Manu hater. Trying to find every possible excuse to talk crap about him, eh? How about you "get the over yourself" and move on from the loss, and reflect on what a great season we had.

your asshurt is showing

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Cool story... you know how many 20+ pts games Ray Allen had last season? seven... you know how many Manu had? seven...

We still have our bet. What are you up to now? I think Manu's had two or three 20 point games since our bet, so 2 or 3/10. IIRC I think I said I'd "give" you an extra point for his game 5 20 point game if you wanted it. I'm still confident that he won't hit 10 before he retires.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

By the way ElNono, Ray shot 45% from the field and 42% from 3 last season. Manu? 43% from the field and 35% from 3. if Manu were shooting as efficiently as Ray, his lack of 20 point games would be a total non-issue.

[ElNono]

We still have our bet. What are you up to now? I think Manu's had two or three 20 point games since our bet, so 2 or 3/10. IIRC I think I said I'd "give" you an extra point for his game 5 20 point game if you wanted it. I'm still confident that he won't hit 10 before he retires.

I wouldn't have taken the bet if I didn't think he could pull it off... I suspect he'll have two more seasons to do it...

By the way ElNono, Ray shot 45% from the field and 42% from 3 last season. Manu? 43% from the field and 35% from 3. if Manu were shooting as efficiently as Ray, his lack of 20 point games would be a total non-issue.

Yet he couldn't crack the 20+ point mark any more times than Manu, even though he played 19 more games than him... not to mention Ray, who is a great vet, is not asked to do anything else in Miami.

Manu had 274 assists last season (#2 for the Spurs, about 90 more than #3 in Duncan), Ray 135 (again, with 19 more games)... you do the math on how many points that translates to...

[TheGoldStandard]

Vet minimum after everyone is signed.

[Capt Bringdown]

Well, Manu and Ray Allen have one big thing in common: both of them are Spurs Killers.

[Rogue]

paying him 3-5m a year for a few more seasons wouldn't sound a bad thing to them spurs imho. Dude can still ball but you just can't expect him to be the super manu every night. a good deal of the hatred on him originates from the 14m salary of this season, and you guys will feel lucky to have such a legendary player on your side for another 3-4 seasons while paying him below-average salary. Manu can still do a decent job playing a similar role like Giggs/Scholes on Manchester United from 10 to 13, they're old so you can't expect them to shine every night, but they can still be your most brilliant player out there once in a while (like game 5 vs. Miami)

[ElNono]

IMO, he'll be making more than Green... and he should... I don't think the Spurs will have a problem with that, nor it would derail anything the FO wants to do this summer...

BTW, Ray Allen is making 3m this season at 37, and he'll be cashing in another 3.2m next season at 38...

[TheGreatYacht]

paying him 3-5m a year for a few more seasons wouldn't sound a bad thing to them spurs imho. Dude can still ball but you just can't expect him to be the super manu every night. a good deal of the hatred on him originates from the 14m salary of this season, and you guys will feel lucky to have such a legendary player on your side for another 3-4 seasons while paying him below-average salary. Manu can still do a decent job playing a similar role like Giggs/Scholes on Manchester United from 10 to 13, they're old so you can't expect them to shine every night, but they can still be your most brilliant player out there once in a while (like game 5 vs. Miami)

Please don't post here when you obviously don't watch the Spurs as much as we Spurs fans do. I've watched Manu play all year and a lot of times I was yelling at my screen "fuc*ing Manu I hope you retire soon" so his Game 6 performance of the NBA Finals was only the cherry on top for me. I knew this Manu downfall was coming sooner than later.

IMO, he'll be making more than Green... and he should... I don't think the Spurs will have a problem with that, nor it would derail anything the FO wants to do this summer...

BTW, Ray Allen is making 3m this season at 37, and he'll be cashing in another 3.2m next season at 38...

LMAO. Danny Green > present Manu Ginobili. Look at the poll results. Get real. Manu deserves what he deserves. I hope that the FO is smart enough to give Manu what he deserves which is what roughly 79 % of us believe thus far.

[ElNono]

LMAO. Danny Green > present Manu Ginobili. Look at the poll results. Get real. Manu deserves what he deserves. I hope that the FO is smart enough to give Manu what he deserves which is what roughly 79 % of us believe thus far.

I'm not even sure what do you mean by 'lucrative deal' in the poll... I actually expect option B to happen, and that would translate to a 3m-5m/year salary, IMO... unless somehow he takes the mini-mle at $2.5m per (IIRC)

and lol @ a 65 person poll being representative of anything...

[DPG21920]

They should give him the book old yeller so he understands what is about to happen tbh..

[TheGoldStandard]

Manu is worth about 1.5 Mil in his current state.

[DPG21920]

That certainly is not true^

[Rogue]

Please don't post here when you obviously don't watch the Spurs as much as we Spurs fans do. I've watched Manu play all year and a lot of times I was yelling at my screen "fuc*ing Manu I hope you retire soon" so his Game 6 performance of the NBA Finals was only the cherry on top for me. I knew this Manu downfall was coming sooner than later.LMAO. Danny Green > present Manu Ginobili. Look at the poll results. Get real. Manu deserves what he deserves. I hope that the FO is smart enough to give Manu what he deserves which is what roughly 79 % of us believe thus far.

Of course I don't spend all my time watching spurs games when I'm not a spur fan and when I need to spend some time at school learning new knowledge as well as learning to be a good person. A friend of mine (mono) has been deprived of the privilege to post upstairs, maybe he trolled a lot in this forum but I'm not sure, and I don't see how and why I'm gonna deserve such unfair treatment. I'm just trying to be a decent person and I'm just gonna stick by basketball talk. Those who troll others for fun will get banned first, let's wait and see.

And I don't see no fun in vilifying such a legendary player that Manu is, even though he's old and tattered. The fact is that Manu can still manage a brilliant performance once in a while, like the game 5 against Miami which you must have watched since you're a spurs fan, and which you must have not forgotten yet despite how stupid you probably are because that only happened less than 2 weeks ago. I understood most fans throwing trash talk when he had a bad game, it was heart breaking to see your team getting defeated in the finals (which I've also experienced as a mav fan) but life will continue, and most fans have finally come back to the fact that they just lost the series to a better team.

[TheGoldStandard]

That certainly is not true^

If Kawhi Leonard is making 1.9Mil and Danny Green is making 3.5 you'd pay him more? Not in his current state nope..

[DPG21920]

If Kawhi Leonard is making 1.9Mil and Danny Green is making 3.5 you'd pay him more? Not in his current state nope..

I am disappointed in Manu beyond belief, but that logic doesn't work. Leonard is making that not because of what he's worth, but because he was forced into it. Manu, based on what he is worth, is worth a lot more than you mentioned. Even from a purely business decision perspective he's worth more.

If Manu wanted, he could really hold the Spurs financially hostage. I'm not expecting him to do so, but if he knows the Spurs pretty much have to keep him, he could quite easily fetch a 10M contract somewhere.

[TheGoldStandard]

I am disappointed in Manu beyond belief, but that logic doesn't work. Leonard is making that not because of what he's worth, but because he was forced into it. Manu, based on what he is worth, is worth a lot more than you mentioned. Even from a purely business decision perspective he's worth more.

If Manu wanted, he could really hold the Spurs financially hostage. I'm not expecting him to do so, but if he knows the Spurs pretty much have to keep him, he could quite easily fetch a 10M contract somewhere.

HAHA, RC is loyal but he wouldn't hold Spurs hostage by any means.. They'd reluctantly say, "good luck, see you in a season or so when you sign for 1 day so you can retire here". It's nostalgia that blinds a lot of people but Manu is not the be all end all of the Spurs anymore.

[ElNono]

Kawhi is on a rookie deal... if he wouldn't be, he would be getting paid a whole lot more... and yeah you would pay him more than Danny Green, who still can't dribble a basketball or run a pick & roll...