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You must be going for "King of the Non Sequitur"
Rove did come up with running in 2004 on September 11th only and it worked
what a genius
You must be going for "King of the Non Sequitur"
he ran on it
you know it
he won
he benefited from sep 11th, bottom line
Ok i'll give you that. But Im like the only one who complains about your long posts though. The thing about this whole rove is that all these scandals are intentionally so complicated and convoluted that no mere mortal can really hope to comprehend them.
Yeah its one thing to have an attention span of an 8 year old but its another thing to have the attention span of someone who is determined to read every political article every day for the rest of his life.
Okay, then just satisfy yourself of this fact:
If Valerie Plame was a covert agent then her cover was blown to the Russians and the Cubans over 8 years ago. That's a recorded fact to which the media attested (in the amicus brief) in court in order to get this Judith Miller reporter out of jail and to thwart any future contempt charges against other reporters.
This is the same media that keeps harping that Rove broke the same law in 2003, still over 6 years after she was "outed" to the Russians and Cubans.
Trust me...it's a non-story.
2.5 more years folks
only 2.5 more years.....
then we have like 2 or 3 terms until we have to deal with another from Clan Bush.
side question: why does he look so stupid in this picture?
You're not going to see another Democrat in the White House for at least another 10 years.2.5 more years folks
only 2.5 more years.....
then we have like 2 or 3 terms until we have to deal with another from Clan Bush.
side question: why does he look so stupid in this picture?
answer
the leadership is so strong is works against him as far as looking smart in photos
come on TRO... master of attention spans....i never implied that
i only said 2.5 more years of this buffoon sitting on the throne
by Clan Bush i meant another reject from this long lived blue blood family of royalty known as the Bush's
hey bush looks incredibly stupid in your avatar as well
well like they say...as long as he was our leader during 9/11 and the war in iraq
Call Fitzgerald and tell him rather than posting some bs in a thread.
Fitzgerald knows he's a liar. That's why he's repeatedly stated that Rove isn't the object of the investigation.
Wouldn't it be a kicker if Wilson, Plame and some, as yet unnamed, CIA employees were the subject of the investigation?
So it's crystal clear that Rove's guilty until proven innocent and should be fired immediately when you think you have the goods on him but when the truthful facts come in that show the anti-USA, liberal, leftwing Dems. have propogated another lie it becomes "complicated, convoluted" and incomprehensible?
"Your hypocrisy knows no bounds"
-Doc Holiday- Tombstone
Last edited by jochhejaam; 07-19-2005 at 09:01 PM.
Notice how fast the Valerie Plame controversy evaporated from the mainstream media? Where is the Democratic outrage now? Apparently they've moved on to more important things. Which just goes to show you how unimportant and manufactured the Rove-bashing was.
By the way, does anyone know why Judith Miller is still in jail?
people get fired from burger king everyday for being suspected of stealing
theres no "have to keep working until proven guilty"
that
rove wont get fired
bush said he would
imagine that
Did you even bother to read the David Corn article that you claim exposed Valarie Plame? Keep in mind it came out on 7-16-03Valerie Wilson, nee Plame, was allegedly identified as a covert CIA agent by the columnist Robert Novak, to whom she was allegedly compromised by an administration official. In fact, it appears Plame was first outed to the general public as a result of a consciously loaded and slyly hypothetical piece by the journalist David Corn. Corn's source appears to have been none other than Plame's own husband, former ambassador and current Democratic-party operative Joseph Wilson — that same pillar of national security rec ude whose notion of discretion, upon being dispatched by the CIA for a sensitive mission to Niger, was to write a highly public op-ed about his trip in the New York Times. This isn't news to the media; they have simply chosen not to report it.
So, Corn's article came out two days after Novak wrote his article claiming that 'Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction'.In a recent column on Nigergate, Novak examined the role of former Ambassador Joseph Wilson IV in the affair. Two weeks ago, Wilson went public, writing in The New York Times and telling The Washington Post about the trip he took to Niger in February 2002--at the request of the CIA--to check out allegations that Saddam Hussein had tried to purchase uranium for a nuclear weapons program from Niger. Wilson was a good pick for the job. He had been a State Department officer there in the mid-1970s. He was ambassador to Gabon in the early 1990s. And in 1997 and 1998, he was the senior director for Africa at the National Security Council and in that capacity spent a lot of time dealing with the Niger government. Wilson was also the last acting US ambassador in Iraq before the Gulf War, a military action he supported. In that post, he helped evacuate thousands of foreigners from Kuwait, worked to get over 120 American hostages out Iraq, and sheltered about 800 Americans in the embassy compound. At the time, Novak's then-partner, Rowland Evans, wrote that Wilson displayed "the stuff of heroism." And President George H. W. Bush commended Wilson: "Your courageous leadership during this period of great danger for American interests and American citizens has my admiration and respect. I salute, too, your skillful conduct of our tense dealings with the government of Iraq....The courage and tenacity you have exhibited throughout this ordeal prove that you are the right person for the job."
The current Bush administration has not been so appreciative of Wilson's more recent efforts. In Niger, he met with past and present government officials and persons involved in the uranium business and concluded that it was "highly doubtful" that Hussein had been able to purchase uranium from that nation. On June 12, The Washington Post revealed that an unnamed ambassador had traveled to Niger and had reported back that the Niger caper probably never happened. This article revved up the controversy over Bush's claim--which he made in the state of the union speech--that Iraq had attempted to buy uranium in Africa for a nuclear weapons program.
Critics were charging that this allegation had been part of a Bush effort to mislead the country to war, and the administration was maintaining that at the time of the speech the White House had no reason to suspect this particular sentence was based on faulty intelligence. "Maybe someone knew down in the bowels of the agency," national security adviser Condoleezza Rice said days before the Post article ran. "But no one in our circles knew that there were doubts and su ions." Wilson's mission to Niger provided more reason to wonder if the administration's denials were on the level. And once Wilson went public, he prompted a new round of inconvenient and troubling questions for the White House. (Wilson, who opposed the latest war in Iraq, had not revealed his trip to Niger during the prewar months, when he was a key participant in the media debate over whether the country should go to war.)
Soon after Wilson disclosed his trip in the media and made the White House look bad. the payback came. Novak's July 14, 2003, column presented the back-story on Wilson's mission and contained the following sentences: "Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction. Two senior administration officials told me Wilson's wife suggested sending him to Niger to investigate" the allegation.
Wait a minute, wasn't it the right-wing echo chamber, the Limbaugh-FOX News crowd that was calling the Fitzgerald investigation over four days before W announces Roberts as his choice? Hasn't it been the Corporate Media who has really moved onto Hurricane Emily, the heat-wave, and the Roberts nomination, while the blogsphere continues to disprove the daily barrage of right-wing propaganda being put out by Melmahn and Co?
You have trouble with nuance...
Corn actually revealed Plames "covert" status. Novak merely called her an agency operative on WMD.
Corn, went into details. Novak mentioned her in passing, as part of a story about Wilson.
i ain't sayin' nothin' and neither should any of those folks
This investigation actually is pretty hot right now, as it has been revealed that the State Dept. released a top-secret memo to the NSC in July 2003 detailing the Wilson trip to Niger, and the role of his wife.
It's still unclear whether her iden y as a CIA employee was meant to be included as top-secret.
People are missing something in all of this hysteria to chase Rove. Bush has said repeatedly that he would fire the leaker WHOEVER he was. He would have known within days who the leaker was.
Were there any high-profile departures from the Administration in July 2003?
Instead of the Left being able to defeat the GOP's top strategist in an election, revenge is sought ex post facto. Instead of developing a vision for the future and remaking a political message that is woefully out of date, the Demos are all about playing petty political games right now while they get their ass handed to them electorally.
Reminds me a lot of how the GOP viewed Clinton back in the nineties. They went after him hard personally when they couldn't beat him in an election. Bitterness and personal hate is not a winning message. Has the Left learned their lesson after the 2004 election or are they going to continue to up?
Perhaps Rove will take on a candidate in 2008, though from what I recall he is going to take a break.
First of all it was marked "Secret," not "Top Secret." An important distinction in Classification;
Second, there's been no clarification of whether the "secret" information was the iden y of Plame or other content in the memo;
Third, Rove denies seeing the memo; and
Fourth, it used her married name Wilson, not Plame...so, why would Rove be expected to make the connection?
Adjust your posting settings off "Rove Auto-Defend," and read again what I wrote.
Who left the Administration in July 2003? Hint: He announced his resignation two months prior.
Granted.
I was just making the point that it is highly improbable that Rove is the focus of the investigation and, indeed, the "outing" of Valerie Plame may not even been the impetus for the Fitzgerald investigation.
So, why drag Tom Ridge into all this?
Let's just say there's some testimony about a certain bespectacled former press secretary perusing the State Department memo in question while riding along on Air Force One, and then making a few phone calls.
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