What the are you talking about. The Spurs aren't stopping Scola from coming to the NBA - he stopped himself by not working out his buyout sooner. His agent knew the terms of his contract. It's supposedly been trying to be worked down for 3 years. They didn't get it done. It's on Scola and his agent, not on the Spurs.
You're a hit. The Spurs wanted Oberto more and got him. Scola is a small power forward who isn't a very good rebounder or defender. The Spurs might opt not to go with Scola. Scola isn't the Second Coming.
Where did you hear all of that first? While you were erecting your Scola shrine, there were some of us saying he wasn't the next Tim Duncan.
I apologize that you have to take the posters down. Next time try listening.
Hmm.. Isn't that some kind of tampering? He's not a free agent.And Scola's agent said that there are four teams interested in him.
Priceless. What exactly is it in your pipe?
You're a hit. The Spurs wanted Oberto more and got him. Scola is a small power forward who isn't a very good rebounder or defender. The Spurs might opt not to go with Scola. Scola isn't the Second Coming.
Where did you hear all of that first? While you were erecting your Scola shrine, there were some of us saying he wasn't the next Tim Duncan.
I apologize that you have to take the posters down. Next time try listening.
i've been saying this before we even signed him...i know he's from argentina and all but i dont get how he got so hyped up on this forum
Smeagol...I hereby rescind my admission of partial wrongness...He does want out as I guessed. All others who called me out and accused me of being a hater.....owned.
Trade him...trade him now...this will never work...it's bad for him and bad for us.
TimVP
You get no AJ bashing for the rest of the summer for coming clean on my rightness.
Although...I can't be held responsible for Solid D's newfound AJ hate-on
I would hope that we would trade scola and some baggage for a bloody long athletic swingman, but judging by past spurs offseasons we will probably trade for another center
now i get it. This article got me confused on who really made no move on how to works things out-Spurs or Scola(his agent)?
What?!
It's his responsibility (and his agent's) to work out a buyout with Tau. The Spurs can't work the buyout out for him.
i didn't like thephrase there.there was no offer
thanks.
I think the Argentina Olympic Men's Basketball team will win the Laureus World Sports Awards as the World Team of the Year not only bec. they won the Gold but by beating the U.S. Team. That's a big achievement again by Manu(Olympic MVP) and Oberto/Scola.
P.S.
nice seeing Oberto in the highlights.
i hope he finds a way to play in the nba this year. (cause hes getting old) the first step would be the spurs shipping his rights. all this about him being too small and not being the second coming is stupid. the spurs have been wanting to bring him over, and spur fans have been wanting to see what he can do. (thats about it) no one's "soured" on anyone... otherwise we wouldnt be talking about buyouts in threads like this...
Mr. Body... your rattle shakes with much more vengance than timvp's. If you don't care then save your venom for a greater cause. Scola is a fading dream.
Eh, we haven't signed him thats what everyone is ing about
From all accounts Scola is an NBA ready player..
Spurs have been keeping him from making millions for awhile now..they should do the right thing and trade his rights. I wonder if Scola would be a spur if they offered him the same contract Oberto got instead of the lowball 7 Mil
I am having a really hard time understanding the logic behind the accusation that the Spurs are trying to keep Scola from being a success and making his millions in the NBA.
If I own the rights to a player that is as good as ESPN and some of you make him out to be then I would...
A) Try and get him on my roster
B) Try and trade him for something of value
To say the Spurs, or any other team, would just sit on him and let him rot just doesnt make any sense. If you had something valuable would you use it or sell it... or would you bury it in the back yard so no one could have it.
It seems to me the only reason the Spurs would not have signed or traded Scola would be that there is a flaw in the luster of this gem that doesnt make it as shiny as it looks to us from afar. Whether that's contract, ability, or personality is up for debate.
Well there is no need to bring him in because you have an MVP and one of the best role players in history logging the minutes at his position. If a good trade comes along then im sure they would take it but it seems they are happy to just keep his rights and could possibly use him as a Horry replacement in 3 years.
I understand its a business but the guy has a right to be pissed..he thought he was going to the NBA years ago and is still stuck in Europe..
Why did they offer Oberto more money then Scola?
I would tend to think
1) They believe Oberto is more valuable than Scola to their team.
2) The article quoting the contract offer to Scola is innacurate.
If I am reading the article in this thread right Scola is saying the Spurs gave him a deadline to get out of his Tau deal but offered no contract. Earlier I thought I read that Scola's agent said he can get Scola out of his deal and that the Spurs said "Well then take our offer". So is there an offer or isnt there? If so, what is it? No one seems to know the real answer.
First of all, I don't think the Spurs are "erecting walls". They have to play by the rules. There is a limit, set by the NBA (not the Spurs), to how much they can pay to get him across. He (and/or his agent/Tau) is not willing to accept that offer. That's the only wall I see, and it wasn't built by the Spurs.
The Spurs are not playing with anybody, as far as I can tell. He either misunderstood the process or he's playing the martyr. Or both. I respect the Spurs front office immensely, and there has to be a reason they went ahead and got Oberto and let Scola be for the moment. We don't always get to know what their reasons are, but you can bet your bippy THERE IS A REASON. TIMVP's reasoning on this sounds pretty plausible to me.
We'll need to see Oberto and Scola in action in the league before we start judging the Spurs' decision. I think it is apparent that the Spurs wanted Oberto now and not Scola. Perhaps it is because they feel that Oberto will be a better fit in the NBA, a better fit for what the Spurs need right now, that they can wait on Scola and get Oberto as a 'bonus', or some combination of the former.
As for the front office, the front office is rather effective, but not touchy feely. It wouldn't surprise me to see the Spurs deal his rights this summer. It also wouldn't surprise me to see the Spurs sit on his rights and bring him in next summer or the one after that.
This is what you consider whinning? the guy is in an unfortunate situation -- he wants to play in the NBA, tau and the spurs got him by the short hairs.
I know everyone here would just suck it up and play for the spurs for 7 dollars an hour (not to mention if they owned the team pay cuban sized luxury tax) but not everyone in the world thinks the world revolves around SA (more specificially pop's nuts).
Spurs management is a smart group but arent infallible (Case in point Rasho). No one knows how Scola's game will translate, I think the guy will be sweet (starter, gamer, clutch, not an allstar)..
Spurs should 'play him or trade him'.
Which, as a Spurs fan, is great. This is why the organization devotes the resources it does to international scouting. Now they have a tradeable asset and it's one they aren't going to lose anytime soon.
Agree. But right now the Spurs can afford to be choosy. They have a variety of tradeable assets and cap exceptions to exploit. If they do it right, this team will be a serious contender for the next 5 years or so and very compe ive for the next decade.I know everyone here would just suck it up and play for the spurs for 7 dollars an hour (not to mention if they owned the team pay cuban sized luxury tax) but not everyone in the world thinks the world revolves around SA (more specificially pop's nuts).
For Rasho's skill level, he is compensated appropriately. I am not a Radoslav fan in the least, but it's hard to consider him a mistake given what passes for a starting center in today's NBA.Spurs management is a smart group but arent infallible (Case in point Rasho).
Sure, but the guys who brought you Manu and Tony and Beno opted to bring in Oberto first. Perhaps they did it simply so that they will eventually have both Oberto and Scola together, but maybe they don't think that Scola will be as effective...I mean, it's a real possibility that you can't dismiss out of hand.No one knows how Scola's game will translate, I think the guy will be sweet (starter, gamer, clutch, not an allstar)..
Spurs should 'play him or trade him'.[/QUOTE]
I think the spurs made the correct move, I agree with your points(minus rasho). But calling him a 'whinner' is total bullshyt.
there really isn't a place for him on the roster... trade him. don't stash him in europe becasuse you can. a guy has a right to be a little less than ... 'there is no 'I' in team... I just thank god I can play basketball'
Spurs, nor any other team the Spurs would trade with, can do nothing now until Luis' buyout is resolved and paid. The first move, the responsibility is on Luis, not on the Spurs.
Scola can become a 15 and 7 guy in the NBA.
Why is Scola a whiner?
He wants to play in the NBA and he realized that he does not fit in the Spurs system as it is (moreso with Oberto). IS that why you say he is whinning?
I read the article in Spanish and he does not whine at all. He says he is happy for the Spurs because they got a great player in Oberto. Actually he humbles up saying that Oberto can offer more than him to the Spurs.
He does not blame the Spurs for anything. He even says he is a fan of the Spurs.
So again, timvp, where's the whinning?
The only thing that might me construed as whinning is the fact he would like to be traded. This guy's dream is to play in the NBA and he does not see this happening with the Spurs anytime soon. I makes sense that he asks to be traded.
Isn't Scola between 6'9" and 6'10"? I'm pretty sure I have read both. If so, that not undersized for a power forward. At the same time, it should have come as no surprise to Scola that on the Spurs he would be playing behind the best power forward in the world.
No question that Scola wants to play in the NBA and wants it badly. In one interview he just sent a message to both Tau and the Spurs. To Tau, he just told them he wasn't gonna be happy playing for them this year. To the Spurs, he just sent the message that he understood their situation and would like them to explore a deal so he could go to a team with cap room that wanted him. OK... he sent his message.
Spurs had to have a decision so they could make a move before the 29th. Scola couldn't get a deal done.
Contractually Scola is screwed though. Tau is notorious about being tough on buyouts and have already lost 2 major players from last year. They don't want to lose any more. The Spurs can let him ride for another year and see how their existing frontcourt works out and then make a decision next summer...
NBA rules as I understand it really limit the Spurs on getting value for Scola. It's not like they can sign him for whatever he wants and needs to get out of his buyout and then trade him...they only have the rest of their MLE and can't offer more.
Scola would have probably been a top 10-15 draft pick if he had been in this years draft. The only possible deal that I could see working for the Spurs would be for them to trade Scola's rights to a team with cap space that wants Scola more than the first round pick they drafted and haven't signed yet. As I understand it that is the only way the Spurs could get reasonable value. Any CBA wizards out there are welcome to correcty me if I am wrong on this.
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