Manu is NOT washed up, had = PER as Paul George for playoffs

[ElNono]

ISOs work great on 2K14 too, tbh

[Vash StampedE]

If it's simple as you guys say it is, Pop would love to call for ISOs as much as possible. But you have to recognize that Miami does play good defense despite how great Spurs' offense is. You can't expect Parker, during the closing minutes of those games, to easily get by his defender, and score or make plays. Not with Lebron guarding him. That 3 pointer he made late in game 6, with Lebron guarding him, was very difficult and knowing that Parker is a poor shooter beyond the arc, I felt that that was a very lucky possession. Tony was able to score again in their next possession due to Miami missing which led to them scrambling in transition defense and forcing Chalmers to guard him. With 3 pointers not falling for the Spurs during the last 2 games, you could only expect those kind of opportunities to score a few number of times.

As for Manu, well he is old, though I agree that Pop should have made calls to put the ball more on Manu's hands, or even Kawhi. I really hope that by next season, Pop would be true to his words and have more plays called for Kawhi. I want ISOs for Kawhi!!!!!

[Kidd K]

Bad stats. Manu only played 26 minutes a game to George's 41, so of course minutes-adjusted stats will make Manu appear slightly better than he really was in comparison to guys who are workhorsing practically entire games against star players the entire time rather than getting most of his minutes against 2nd stringers and playing with 2 HOFers and All NBA 1st teamers when he isn't playing against 2nd stringers.

Ginobili's best round was round 1, against the VERY ty Lakers that we swept in 4 blowouts. That padded his overall stats for the postseason by a lot. Ginobili's second best round was round 2, where he got killed on defense but yes, he did manage to actually make plays (not score a lot, but he made plays).

When it got to the harder rounds, Ginobili started to disappear. He was mediocre against the Grizzlies (had one good game and thats it) and was atrocious against the Heat. 5 of his 7 games against Miami were ty games. One was an average "what we expect" from Manu game, and one was good. So at best you can say Ginobili is useful in the rounds that don't matter against teams that we should be beating anyway (teams we're ranked as noticably better than).

Meanwhile Paul George was playing 41 minutes a game to Ginobili's 26 a game, and also playing without HCA for 2 of his 3 series instead of 1 of 4. George also didn't have Parker to bail him out of playmaking duties for most of the game, all he has was George Hill.

Different and more difficult cir stances for Paul George. You need to compare Manu to what Manu was last year and the year before, not to other players who play much higher minutes, against non 2nd stringers most of the time, without HCA, with different teammates around them, and against the #1 and #2 seeds of the east while only in his third season (first with a major role) and acting like their PER being similar actually means something.

[Skull-1]

I'll choose to believe my eyes. He was awful. Those stats don't take in to account how his frantic plays and bad passes may not have resulted in turnovers but resulted in a terrible possession. They also don't take in to account "timing". Manu seemed to make terrible decisions at the worst possible moments. His play would kill momentum or spark the other team in to a run. That's what I saw. Per nothing.

When it comes to momentum killing/bad passes to hose posessions...there is no stat for that, luckily for Manu...

[therealtruth]

If it's simple as you guys say it is, Pop would love to call for ISOs as much as possible. But you have to recognize that Miami does play good defense despite how great Spurs' offense is. You can't expect Parker, during the closing minutes of those games, to easily get by his defender, and score or make plays. Not with Lebron guarding him. That 3 pointer he made late in game 6, with Lebron guarding him, was very difficult and knowing that Parker is a poor shooter beyond the arc, I felt that that was a very lucky possession. Tony was able to score again in their next possession due to Miami missing which led to them scrambling in transition defense and forcing Chalmers to guard him. With 3 pointers not falling for the Spurs during the last 2 games, you could only expect those kind of opportunities to score a few number of times.

As for Manu, well he is old, though I agree that Pop should have made calls to put the ball more on Manu's hands, or even Kawhi. I really hope that by next season, Pop would be true to his words and have more plays called for Kawhi. I want ISOs for Kawhi!!!!!

It's just not about isos but attacking favorable matchups. I agree anyone against Lebron isn't probably the matchup you should be attacking hoping to score. You do want to make him work on defense but that probably won't be a favorable matchup for scoring. That being said the Spurs were capable of playing better defense against the Heat than they showed.

[cjw]

Where's my TheGreatYacht's responses in this thread?

I'm not a manu fan and I admit that he may struggle to perform at times due to his age but when he's in good form he's still easily one of the big 3 on this team imho. If I remember correct in an article he was ranked #3 of all SGs in today's league, even above Kobe (who was placed at #4), only behind Wade and Harden. Although the author of that article might be a closet spurs fan (since he also picked Danny Green as the #8 on his list, which I believe is too high for him), Manu is still safely a 2nd-tier SG in today's league at least, parallel to the likes of Monta, Kevin Martin and friend killer

Pretty sure that article took the Kobe injury into consideration (was based on future value), so Manu's really fourth on that list. It also took into account the fact that Tony will probably get hit by a flying glass object yet again this summer and miss 2/3 of the season.

[Skull-1]

Pretty sure that article took the Kobe injury into consideration (was based on future value), so Manu's really fourth on that list. It also took into account the fact that Tony will probably get hit by a flying glass object yet again this summer and miss 2/3 of the season.

exactly. Fell in love with Hollywood. I bet if they were threatening to trade his pimp azz he would shape up.

[DAF86]

Manu can still be very productive for the Spurs but Popovic HAS to disminish his role, playing him off the ball A LOT more. Let Leonard take his place as the main creator when Tony isn't in the court (seriously it's more than due). If Manu plays as role player his efficiency will improve (for ex: less step back three's, more spot up opportunities, less TO's off pick and rolls, etc.), these things added to his natural feel for the game, energy and inventive ways would make of Manu a pretty damn good role player, imho.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Wasn't George pretty AWFUL against the Heat? George couldn't be a lot more overrated TBH. Not sure why everyone thinks he is great.

[Mhak]

Per this Manu clearly washed up our championship. That's a fact. Old geezer is done. Nothing to see here and next season will be more teeth cringing. I like the guy but you have to see or not to be a homer to see that he is done!

[elmanutres]

Manu should've worn a heat jersey and won the finals MVP. PER.

[look_at_g_shred]

No comparison.

[Skull-1]

Manu should've worn a heat jersey and won the finals MVP. PER.

[Baseline]

Manu should've worn a heat jersey and won the finals MVP. PER.

And because he didn't get a Heat Finals MVP trophy, the Spurs felt bad for him. So they paid him 14.5 million as a consolation prize.

[rascal]

PER is a joke

Paul George > Manu

George's future play arrow is pointing up while Manu's is pointing down

George Hill is even better than Manu now.

[still.focused]

how is that relevant in any way?

I believe the thinking is, in the grand scheme the team goal is winning the chip
And touting Manu for having the same PER as George is pointless cuz George didnt help his team win a chip either

[sventhedog]

oh my god! how did the spurs lose then?

[Sean Cagney]

oh my god! how did the spurs lose then?

But but but his Per!!!!!!!!! Not his 8 TO's in game 6 and the stupid TO's late in game 7 which a friend at work even said Manu lost it for you guys and he is not a Spurs fan!!!!!!!!!!! He mentioned that as well, but most admit he is a Spurs legend Spurs fans or not . He sucked this postseason pretty much, we all know he was horrible and if some deny it they are just in denial. Some need to accept it, he was horrible. He had his game or two, thats it.

[Johnny RIngo]

lmao at Manu being as good as Paul George. TOSB Manu is a Geroge Hill level player(probably worse)

[Skull-1]

But but but his Per!!!!!!!!! Not his 8 TO's in game 6 and the stupid TO's late in game 7 which a friend at work even said Manu lost it for you guys and he is not a Spurs fan!!!!!!!!!!! He mentioned that as well, but most admit he is a Spurs legend Spurs fans or not . He sucked this postseason pretty much, we all know he was horrible and if some deny it they are just in denial. Some need to accept it, he was horrible. He had his game or two, thats it.

But but but his Per!!!!!!!!! Not his 8 TO's in game 6 and the stupid TO's late in game 7 which a friend at work even said Manu lost it for you guys and he is not a Spurs fan!!!!!!!!!!! He mentioned that as well, but most admit he is a Spurs legend Spurs fans or not . He sucked this postseason pretty much, we all know he was horrible and if some deny it they are just in denial. Some need to accept it, he was horrible. He had his game or two, thats it.

So Right I have to quote it twice.

[ElNono]

tbh, didn't think Paul George was that great either...