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So you are supporting Obama's current course.
OK.
You're confused. I don't want to cut off aid to the Egyptian military. John McCain and Lindsey Graham do and I obviously think they're wrong. Sane people know these MB riots have to be put down and the military are the only ones who can do it.
So you are supporting Obama's current course.
OK.
0bama is correct on this issue. Even a blind squirrel can find a nut now and then.
So you were full of when you said Obama was fine with a fundamentalist Islam state in Egypt.
I actually think he would be fine with it. He denounced the coup and called for Morsi to be reinstated. I said I agreed with his decision to continue aid to the Egyptian military. Why he's doing it is anybody's guess, but I don't believe it's because he want's the MB to disappear. He may be doing it to satisfy Saudi Arabia for all we know, or figures he might get roasted politically here at home if he cuts off aid. He's between a rock and a hard place no doubt. He certainly deserves some of the blame for this mess by giving that Cairo speech and implying that he would stand behind the people that wanted to depose Mubarak.
Uh, when?
Sounds like complete bull .
I'll need a direct quote from Obama.
My bad. 0bama did indeed denounce the coup, but didn't explicitly call for the reinstatement of Morsi. Chalk up one for the Chumpster.
he delicately danced around it in his official statement but used the phrase "democratically elected" multiple times which is Morsi.
I have said since the Egyptian Revolution, the United States supports a set of core principles, including opposition to violence, protection of universal human rights, and reform that meets the legitimate aspirations of the people. The United States does not support particular individuals or political parties, but we are committed to the democratic process and respect for the rule of law. Since the current unrest in Egypt began, we have called on all parties to work together to address the legitimate grievances of the Egyptian people, in accordance with the democratic process, and without recourse to violence or the use of force.
The United States is monitoring the very fluid situation in Egypt, and we believe that ultimately the future of Egypt can only be determined by the Egyptian people. Nevertheless, we are deeply concerned by the decision of the Egyptian Armed Forces to remove President Morsy and suspend the Egyptian cons ution. I now call on the Egyptian military to move quickly and responsibly to return full authority back to a democratically elected civilian government as soon as possible through an inclusive and transparent process, and to avoid any arbitrary arrests of President Morsy and his supporters. Given today’s developments, I have also directed the relevant departments and agencies to review the implications under U.S. law for our assistance to the Government of Egypt.
The United States continues to believe firmly that the best foundation for lasting stability in Egypt is a democratic political order with participation from all sides and all political parties —secular and religious, civilian and military. During this uncertain period, we expect the military to ensure that the rights of all Egyptian men and women are protected, including the right to peaceful assembly, due process, and free and fair trials in civilian courts. Moreover, the goal of any political process should be a government that respects the rights of all people, majority and minority; that ins utionalizes the checks and balances upon which democracy depends; and that places the interests of the people above party or faction. The voices of all those who have protested peacefully must be heard – including those who welcomed today’s developments, and those who have supported President Morsy. In the interim, I urge all sides to avoid violence and come together to ensure the lasting restoration of Egypt’s democracy.
No transition to democracy comes without difficulty, but in the end it must stay true to the will of the people. An honest, capable and representative government is what ordinary Egyptians seek and what they deserve. The longstanding partnership between the United States and Egypt is based on shared interests and values, and we will continue to work with the Egyptian people to ensure that Egypt’s transition to democracy succeeds,
Democracy in that region of the world especially is three wolves, a sheep, and a rabbit voting on what is for dinner.
True democracy sucks.
quoting the great boutons, that region of the world is ed and un able...
Read more: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world...hood-1.1497610Egyptian prime minister Hazem el-Beblawi has proposed the legal dissolution of the Muslim Brotherhood and the government is studying the idea, a government spokesman said.
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Mr Beblawi had made the proposal to the minister of social affairs - the ministry responsible for licensing non-governmental organisations, spokesman Sherif Shawky said. “It is being studied currently,” he said.
The Brotherhood was dissolved by Egypt’s military rulers in 1954, but registered itself as a non-governmental organisation in March in a response to a court case brought by opponents of the group who were contesting its legality.
The Brotherhood, founded in 1928, also has a legally registered political arm, the Freedom and Justice Party, which was set up in 2011 after the uprising that led to the downfall of veteran autocrat Hosni Mubarak.
They received about twenty five percent of the vote in the first election round--sounds like a lot, yes? Well, only forty percent of the country voted. That pulls down their actual approval considerably, and they had a massive GOTV effort.
Then, when Mursi wiped his ass on the cons ution, started ruling by decree, started persecuting religious minorities, subjugating women, and changing laws to make pedophilia legal, and using the police to "settle scores," his approval went into the sewer.
The majority of the country is sick of their , and despite the horrific violence, most Egyptians are strongly supportive of the military at this time. Note that I said "at this time." That could and probably will change if the people aren't given another crack at this democracy thing.
I think most are hoping for the Turkish Ataturk model, where the military steps in when the government goes off the rails, and then retreats to the background and restores civilian rule of law after the crisis has passed. The military's oath is to serve the people by protecting the cons ution, and based on Mursi's behavior, that is what they did. I agree with them that the MB needs to be outlawed. We have hate crime legislation in this country too, and they are an organization that peddles hatred.
What the was Obama thinking? He needs to wear a "I've made a huge mistake" t shirt any time he speaks about Egypt. This was a cluster from the beginning.
What did you want Obama to do? Invade Egypt??
The brotherhood won the election not because Egypt is Islamic, like many of the Muslim haters here think...the brotherhood won the election because too many candidates split the moderate secular vote and a wacko extremists with just enough support beat the moderates...imagine there being 9 political parties in the U.S.. 8 moderate and one super extremists...now imagine the the 8 moderate parties split their vote while all the wackos vote for Sarah Palin..she wins .that is the situation in Egypt...
but you give head, Rummy, St Ronnie a pass for aiding Saddam and helping the Islamists in Afghanistan.
The MIC's self-enriching business with Egypt started in 1979, 30+ years before Obama. And of course, Israel (AIPAC) was in that loop.
the CIA has been ing around in the Middle East since the early 50s when they got rid of Iran's democratically elected Mossadegh for nationalizing the colonial Anglo-Iranian Oil Co (UK couldn't do themselves because they were still poor, weakened from WWII), which led directly to the Iranian revolution, the Embassy hostages, and the St Ronnie's Repugs dealing with the Revolution to hold the hostages until St Ronnie was elected.
Imperialist UK and USA have been ing up the Middle East, aka The Great Game, for a 100 years.
For starters he could stop financing the army that is killing the civilians. Since when is it ok to use army for establishing "a democracy", i guess democratic elections are only when you elect the proper candidate. Maybe if they ban enough candidates from participating they can trully have a proper democracy
from wikipedia:
I guess "moderate secular vote" was a vote for people from dictator's regime, the true democrats. And the election looks a lot cleaner than Bush election, and i don't remember US army getting involved when Bush won the election without popular vote.In the first round, with a voter turnout of 46%, the results were split between five major candidates: Mohamed Morsi (25%), Ahmed Shafik (24%), Hamdeen Sabahi (21%), Abdel Moneim Aboul Fotouh (18%), and Amr Moussa (11%), while the remaining 2% were split between several smaller candidates. The elections set the stage for the divisions that were to follow, along Islamist and secular lines, and those opposed to and those supporting the former political elite. Islamist candidates Morsi and Fotouh won roughly 42% of the vote, while the remaining secular candidates won 56% of the vote. Candidates Shafik and Moussa held positions under the Mubarak regime and won 35% of the vote, while Sabahi was a prominent dissident during the Sadat and Mubarak regimes.
Following the second round, with a voter turnout of 52%, on 24 June 2012, Egypt's election commission announced that Muslim Brotherhood candidate Mohammed Morsi had won Egypt's presidential elections. Morsi won by a narrow margin over Ahmed Shafik, the final prime minister under deposed President Hosni Mubarak. The commission said Morsi took 51.7% of the vote versus 48.3% for Shafik.
Nope. It's a call for new elections. That's the transparent process.
If Obama stops the aid because of the violence..wouldn't that men he would be supporting the Muslim Brotherhood? the same group that all of his opponents ed about when the they won the election?
The US will not stop the aid.
You need to get out a map and find the Sinai, and then find Israel.
Then take into account Israel has Nukes and if the existence of this State is ever threatened because we back out, they will use them. Like it or not.
Suez canal says hi!
.. and find the Suez canal, where Egypt gives US (military?) ships priority.
I don't think Egypt would ever block US ships from the canal (US would invade Egypt, take over the canal), but they sure could put US ships at the end of the queue.
That is a given, not just for US. I'm betting the rest of the industrial world backs us taking it over under the guise of the UN.
Look at how much money we give to Jordan. Look at border between Jordan and Israel. @ tmvpaussie
Any major disturbance disrupts cheap trade between Europe and Asia. The industrial world needs it open.
Closing the canal is ridiculously easy for motivated terrorists. Blowing up one ship could block it for months.
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