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Game 4 against Dallas in 2011
lucky number 7
That's true, plus he quit on the Nets before Charlotte, so that makes 6 quits....
Game 4 against Dallas in 2011
lucky number 7
6 & 28 really left a mark, deep trauma forever engraved in spurfan's memory.
The humiliation has such epic proportions that spurfans ted on their own Cuckan and instead spent the entire off season riding MJ and Pippen
Both were very great players but the answer is obvious... the one who didn't force himself to be the alpha and accept the better player on the team to be the alpha.
Actually that would be 6/246 & 28 really left a mark, deep trauma forever engraved in spurfan's memory.
The humiliation has such epic proportions that spurfans ted on their own Cuckan and instead spent the entire off season riding MJ and Pippen
The stat of a beta male in game 7
True betas get benched by their senile coaches when they're 28 seconds away from a ring without saying a word.
^ damn
found this great OP from RealGM and it almost took the entire forum down with the kobestans there.I find the hype about Kobe to be extreme. He is a great player but imo he is very overrated.
Remember after Shaq left and before they got Gasol we got to see Kobe lead a team with minimal talent around him. It was mainly him, Odom, and Fisher. During those 3 seasons, Kobe and the Lakers failed to make the playoffs once and lost in the first round twice. One of those first round losses was to the Suns where Amare did not play for the entire seires. That's right- the Lakers lost to the Suns without Amare in a 7 games series yet Kobe got no flack for that. It was only after they got Gasol that they made it past the first round.
Kobe also gets no flack for taking games off like he did in the game 6 loss in the 2008 NBA finals that gave Boston the le. (7 of 22 shooting, 22 points 3 rebounds 1 assist). No one mentioned a word about Kobe quiting in that game.
But anyways here are Kobe's stats in all of the NBA finals he has been in:
2000 NBA Finals
Shaq- 38 PPG, 17 RPG, 2.5 APG, 2.7 BPG, 61% FG 96/157----6 games
Kobe-16 PPG, 5 RPG, 4 APG, 1.4 BPG, 36% FG%, 33/90----5 games
MVP= Shaq. Shaq performs MUCH better than Bryant who shoots a pathetic 36 percent. Also Shaq was doubled covered while Kobe was left with less coverage but even then Shaq did much better.
2001 NBA Finals
Shaq- 33 PPG, 16 RPG, 5 APG, 3.5 BPG, 63/110 57% FG-----5 games
Kobe- 24 PPG, 8 RPG, 6 APG, 1.4 BPG, 44/106 41% FG------5 games
MVP= Shaq. Shaq performs MUCH better than Bryant who shoots 41%.. Also Shaq was doubled covered while Kobe was left with less coverage but even then Shaq did much better.
2002 NBA Finals
Shaq- 37 PPG, 12.25 RPG, 4 APG, 2.75 BPG, 50/84 60% FG----4 games
Kobe-26 PPG, 5.75 RPG, 5 APG, .75 BPG, 36/70 51% FG-------4 games
MVP= Shaq again. Same old story- Shaq gets doubled coverage yet he still out performs Kobe big time.
Total average stats for 3 championships (15 games)=
Shaq=36 PPG, 15.4 RPG, 3.7 APG, 3 BPG, 209/351 60% FG, Double coverage
Kobe=20 PPG, 6 RPG, 4.6 APG, 1 BPG, 113/266 42% FG, Single coverage
Tell me, who was the big player in the finals for the Lakers? Obviously Shaq. To give Kobe credit for these championships like you would give Duncan, Shaq, MJ, Hakeem etc credit for their championships is a JOKE. Shaq was BY FAR the best player on those teams period.
Kobe is one of the most overrated bball players of all time. I would still rank him about #16 all time, which is good but most people are hit by the hype and rank him top 10 which is very untrue.
Now let’s take a look at Kobe’s other 3 championship appearances, 2 of which were losses. In a few weeks from now I predict that Kobe will have another championship appearance and a championship loss to Boston.
2004 NBA finals 5 games loss
Shaq= 27 PPG, 11 RPG, 2 APG, .6 BPG, 53/84 63% FG
Kobe=22 PPG, 3 RPG, 4 APG, .6 BPG, 43/113 38% FG
This was a 5 game loss to Detroit. But Shaq once again clearly outperformed Kobe who severely damaged his team with his terrible shooting percent instead of passing it to Shaq.
2008 NBA finals 6 games loss
Kobe= 25 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 5 APG, .16 BPG, 53/131 40% FG
Yet another terrible shooting NBA finals by Kobe.
2009 NBA finals 5 games win
Kobe= 32 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 7.4 AGP, 58/135, 42% FG
Finally his first great NBA finals performance and it only took him 6 tries to get it! But even then he shot a low 42%.
All in all, Kobe does not perform anywhere as well in the NBA finals as people think (his playoff stats outside of the NBA finals are similar to that as well).
Kobe overall NBA finals stats from 6 series averaged=
23 PPG, 5 RPG, 5 APG, 41% FG (267/645).
He gets hyped a lot because he is from the huge market of LA. I was shocked when I saw voters vote that Kobe was a better Laker than Shaq. It was no comparison!
I could understand if he was the only one on the team but he has played for extremely talented teams. Shaq took up double coverage in the first 4 NBA finals where Kobe still struggled and in the past 2 NBA finals, while Kobe was the best on his team he had good teammates that prevented opposing teams from locking down on Kobe.
Damn that cucked poster has some zingers
I think it's a little unfair to compare Pip to the greatest player of our generation, don't you think?
quality thread, making kobe nutriders more than a little upset, IMO TBH
lol so now you wanna argue the Finals MVP is relevant? MJ, Shaq, and Tammy all have more than rapistPretty sure Scotty couldn't do this:
but Kobe was so good in the WCF
Kobe was playoffs mvp for 01 AND 02. Finals MVP is misleading sonlol so now you wanna argue the Finals MVP is relevant? MJ, Shaq, and Tammy all have more than rapist
What the is a playoffs MVP? Only such thing on NBA 2K where you get a Finals MVP based on your overall playoff statsKobe was playoffs mvp for 01 AND 02. Finals MVP is misleading son
And speaking of "playoffs MVP"
Shaquille O'Neal: Playoffs Per Game (1999-00 to 2001-02)
From To G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS 2000 2002 58 58 42.3 11.7 21.3 .552 0.0 0.0 6.5 12.1 .533 4.8 9.7 14.5 3.0 0.5 2.4 3.0 3.2 29.9
Kobe Bryant: Playoffs Per Game (1999-00 to 2001-02)
From To G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS 2000 2002 57 57 41.8 9.3 20.8 .447 1.0 2.7 .353 5.8 7.4 .780 1.5 4.2 5.7 4.9 1.5 1.1 2.8 3.6 25.3
So Finals MVPs are misleading but you used one as a source of argument for Kobe>Scotty? sorry, no one gives a about your made up awards.Kobe was playoffs mvp for 01 AND 02. Finals MVP is misleading son
no one gives a about the guy in your avi either got
and?
^ he's the only one of the big 3 in a healthy family situation right now
lol changing the subject
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