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    I also think its hilarious that 'conservatives' like to all over him as they fellate the likes of Rand Paul and Ted Cruz while they prop up Reagan as some sort of messiah. It's ironic really.

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    Following the snl crisis, he led the charge to reregulation. Now he was one of those that allowed the deregulation in the first place but he freely admitted that he ed up and set out and successfully went to correct it. I like McCain. If I voted for party candidates, I would have voted for him over Obama back in 08.
    Back in 2008 I didn't expect Obama to be a neoconservative Wall Street . Maybe that was naive, but Obama certainly campaigned differently than he acted.

    Even still, there's no way I could have brought myself to vote Sarah Palin a heart beat away from the presidency.

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    Back in 2008 I didn't expect Obama to be a neoconservative Wall Street . Maybe that was naive, but Obama certainly campaigned differently than he acted.

    Even still, there's no way I could have brought myself to vote Sarah Palin a heart beat away from the presidency.
    Obama was a Chicago politician. I have family from Illinois and have heard too many stories from the Daley era. He certainly lives up to that legacy. Crooked to the core. I get what you are saying about Palin though. Hard to vote for stupid.

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    Apparently we are preparing to give Assad the missile.

    (CBS News) WASHINGTON - CBS News has learned that the Pentagon is making the initial preparations for a cruise missile attack on Syrian government forces. We say "initial preparations" because such an attack won't happen until the president gives the green light. And it was clear during an interview on CNN Friday that he is not there yet.

    "If the U.S. goes in and attacks another country, without a U.N. mandate and without clear evidence that can be presented," the president told CNN, "then there are questions in terms of whether international law supports it -- 'do we have the coalition to make it work?' Those are considerations that we have to take into account."

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_16...n-govt-forces/

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    more peace bombs from the nobel peace prize winner

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    Apparently we are preparing to give Assad the missile.

    (CBS News) WASHINGTON - CBS News has learned that the Pentagon is making the initial preparations for a cruise missile attack on Syrian government forces. We say "initial preparations" because such an attack won't happen until the president gives the green light. And it was clear during an interview on CNN Friday that he is not there yet.

    "If the U.S. goes in and attacks another country, without a U.N. mandate and without clear evidence that can be presented," the president told CNN, "then there are questions in terms of whether international law supports it -- 'do we have the coalition to make it work?' Those are considerations that we have to take into account."

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_16...n-govt-forces/
    em, i hope it means death for this govt if so. the russians and iranians aren't going to take this sitting down, enough of this war mongering time to rip these assholes from power.

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    The most funny part about it is that it is well known the rebels are Islamists who are basically al Queda. It is also known that Assad is an asshole dictator. Since the two are fighting, and the US can't let any fighting go on anywhere in the world without picking a side, the US is going to cruise missle Syria for Al Queda, who we have to give up all our privacy and report on our neighbors in order to stop.

    And they call it sensible foreign policy.

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    dude, they use al qaeda as a threat to menace the west they run al qaeda they are a US govt controlled organization..we have to give them strength so that we have a foe for the military industrial complex to go up against and scare us into giving up our freedoms

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    Reading the banter between fuzzy and DoK reminds me of the scene in Breakin Bad where Badger and Skinny Pete are discussing their Star Trek theories and I am Jesse, a very reluctant observer.



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    Reading the banter between fuzzy and DoK reminds me of the scene in Breakin Bad where Badger and Skinny Pete are discussing their Star Trek theories and I am Jesse, a very reluctant observer.


    Thanks ditch digger. You remind me of nothing interesting but rather a dullard minion type

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    Air War in Kosovo Seen as Precedent in Possible Response to Syria Chemical Attack

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/world/air-war-in-kosovo-seen-as-precedent-in-possible-response-to-syria-chemical-attack.html?from=homepage

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    Reading the banter between fuzzy and DoK reminds me of the scene in Breakin Bad where Badger and Skinny Pete are discussing their Star Trek theories and I am Jesse, a very reluctant observer.


    It's probably because you're a dumbass.

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    I agree that McCain has only one tool in his toolbox, and that tool is "boots on the ground". The American electorate appears to have zero appe e for more war anywhere anytime. And I agree with the American electorate on this one.

    Thing is, Obama has this horrid habit of saying things he can't/won't back up, and then looking foolish and/or impotent for having said it.

    That applies to Gitmo, and Iraq and Syria.

    Like others in here have said, I couldn't make myself vote to have Sarah Palin a heartbeat away from an elderly, cancer-ridden McCain, and I never could stomach McCain's "American military might is the answer to every foreign policy question in the world", but Obama just looks like a fool again on the international stage.

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    this is basically what's about to go down in syria




    not really oil directly, but indirectly by getting rid of iranian influence in the oil rich region in order to dominate it

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    Obama perhaps should mention why he and the West are trying to cover up the real attrocities in Syria:

    Khan al-Assal massacre:
    The Khan al-Assal Massacre[5] was committed by Syrian rebels against government loyalists after the capture of Khan al-Assal by the armed opposition on 22 July 2013, during the Syrian civil war. Opposition activists attributed the massacre to the jihadist group Jabhat al-Nusra—an al-Qaida associate—and claimed the execution of 51 unarmed soldiers and officers, while government media claimed that the Ansar al-Khalifa Brigade killed 123 people, including both soldiers and civilians


    yes that's right, the "freedom fighters" with direct ties to Al-Qaeda mass executed ppl.

    and don't forget this name Khan al-Assal, that is where back in March the same "freedom fighters" used chemical weapons against Syrian army:

    Khan al-Assal was the site of a chemical weapons attack allegedly carried out by rebels in March 2013. In an analysis for Iranian PressTV, Finian Cunningham said that the massacre was carried out with the aim to erase evidence for the chemical attack and eliminate witnesses.

    let's review the facts one more time Mr. Obama:
    - Syrian rebels used chemical weapons in March 2013 in camp Khan al-Assal
    - Then in order to cover up the attrocity, they execute everyone that was there (123 people at least)

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    Obama is sadly Bush Jr. #2, he is even using same strategy to "find the WMDs, emmh I mean Chemical Weapons":
    “The management of the UN Secretariat demanded that Damascus agree to the establishment of a permanent mechanism for inspection throughout Syrian territory with unlimited access to everywhere. … The proposed scheme of inspections is similar to those used at the end of the last century in Iraq, which, unlike Syria, was under UN sanctions.”

    “This approach brings to mind the line taken over an investigation into the presence of chemical weapons in Iraq, which was based on deliberately false data and led to well-known consequences,” it said, … “We consider such actions unacceptable and inadmissible by any party and moreover by the leadership of the U.N. Secretariat.“”


    http://www.globalresearch.ca/was-the...e-west/5333671

    what's next, will they bring Colin Powell out of retirement so he can come in and make a Syria Power Point Presentation showing the Chemical Weapons?

    what a joke this guy Obama is. Hope and change

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    Obama is sadly Bush Jr. #2, he is even using same strategy to "find the WMDs, emmh I mean Chemical Weapons"
    Probably gonna take another 6 years to translate the do ents too...

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    They have physical evidence of actual gas ie clothing, blood, tissue and urine samples. They have doctor interviews as well. The conspiracy in this case is that the rebels somehow got the chemical weapons and then used them on themselves as the Russians, Iranians, as well as some fools at this board contend.

    If you want to compare it to Iraq, I would also further point out that both France and Germany are on board with the findings unlike the unilateral action that Bush took. I suppose they are in on the conspiracy to get the US to go to war by having the rebels gas themselves. But hey I guess conflating the two men and their policies is fun anyway.

    It's like the stupid take earlier of the rebels getting wiped by Assad when the attack took place in fighting in the outskirts of Damascus ie the seat of Assad's power.

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    They have physical evidence of actual gas ie clothing, blood, tissue and urine samples. They have doctor interviews as well. The conspiracy in this case is that the rebels somehow got the chemical weapons and then used them on themselves as the Russians, Iranians, as well as some fools at this board contend.

    If you want to compare it to Iraq, I would also further point out that both France and Germany are on board with the findings unlike the unilateral action that Bush took. I suppose they are in on the conspiracy to get the US to go to war by having the rebels gas themselves. But hey I guess conflating the two men and their policies is fun anyway.

    It's like the stupid take earlier of the rebels getting wiped by Assad when the attack took place in fighting in the outskirts of Damascus ie the seat of Assad's power.
    dude the rebels have already been caught using chemical weapons back in march. why would assad allow the UN observers in, then turn around and sign his own death wish? that doesn't even make any sense.

    how bout this, since you feel so strongly about it, where's your ak 47? strap it to your back, buy a plane ticket, and get the out of my country. i'm tired of going to war to service the interests of ultra elite, tarnishing our image around the globe, and spending ourselves into oblivion over total horse . i don't give a mother what goes on in syria, it isn't my problem. cowards like you want to send someone else's kid in to harms way to fight these feel good wars because you've been brainwashed into thinking it's the "right thing to do" when in reality you should grow a pair of balls and go volunteer for the FSA if you feel it's a worthy cause. go ahead pussy, man up to your beliefs. when i believe in something, you'd better believe i'm willing to fight for it. you could learn something from that.

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    going to war and attacking another country isn't a ing game, you mofo's really piss me off. they already declared it was assad as soon as the ing weapon went off. no investigation, just every media outlet coming out in unison crying for justice against the big mean assad. is so prescripted it makes me sick. and even if it wasn't, who gives a ? i value an american life over a syrian one. we cannot police the rest of the world indefinitely, that's idiotic.

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    Lets say, for the sake of argument, Assad is using chemical weapons. What exactly does that do to warrant US involvement? I don't understand why it's even a big deal. Even if Assad is using chemical weapons en mass, no one in their right mind should want the US getting involved.

    The whole WMD issue with Iraq has made people completely lose site of the fact that even if Iraq had WMDs, it would have still been a re ed war on our part. A sovereign country having WMDs/chemical weapons doesn't automatically mean the US needs to get involved.

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    Lets say, for the sake of argument, Assad is using chemical weapons. What exactly does that do to warrant US involvement? I don't understand why it's even a big deal. Even if Assad is using chemical weapons en mass, no one in their right mind should want the US getting involved.

    The whole WMD issue with Iraq has made people completely lose site of the fact that even if Iraq had WMDs, it would have still been a re ed war on our part. A sovereign country having WMDs/chemical weapons doesn't automatically mean the US needs to get involved.
    you've been acting like a head for a while but very well said, these guys with mass stockholm syndrome agreeing with the govt pushing for war are idiots.

    call me an asshole, i dont give a about what happens in syria

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    Obama is sadly Bush Jr. #2, he is even using same strategy to "find the WMDs, emmh I mean Chemical Weapons":
    “The management of the UN Secretariat demanded that Damascus agree to the establishment of a permanent mechanism for inspection throughout Syrian territory with unlimited access to everywhere. … The proposed scheme of inspections is similar to those used at the end of the last century in Iraq, which, unlike Syria, was under UN sanctions.”

    “This approach brings to mind the line taken over an investigation into the presence of chemical weapons in Iraq, which was based on deliberately false data and led to well-known consequences,” it said, … “We consider such actions unacceptable and inadmissible by any party and moreover by the leadership of the U.N. Secretariat.“”


    http://www.globalresearch.ca/was-the...e-west/5333671

    what's next, will they bring Colin Powell out of retirement so he can come in and make a Syria Power Point Presentation showing the Chemical Weapons?

    what a joke this guy Obama is. Hope and change
    grateful I didn't vote for the guy, looks like my BS radar hasn't gone offline.

    he might be worse than Bush because you could criticize the out of Bush, but if you insult Obama, you're a rcist.

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    you've been acting like a head for a while but very well said, these guys with mass stockholm syndrome agreeing with the govt pushing for war are idiots.
    I think it's the whole WMD issue that dragged on for years. There was so much hemming and hawing over WMDs in Iraq that it subconsciously tricked people into thinking WMDs are a much bigger deal than they are.

    The amount of people who have allegedly died via Assad's chemical weapons is a fraction of the amount of people that died in Sudan's decade long genocide. It's totally ludicrous when Bush/Obama draw these lines in the sand about what kind of killing is acceptable.

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    grateful I didn't vote for the guy, looks like my BS radar hasn't gone offline.

    he might be worse than Bush because you could criticize the out of Bush, but if you insult Obama, you're a rcist.
    He is worse than Bush partner. That's fact. Saying as much in this forum gets you the label of being a bible thumping neocon by bigots like DOK

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