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Abolish the two party system and stop making people choose between two sticks.
American voter turnout is some of the worst in the developed world. Something needs to be done.
Abolish the two party system and stop making people choose between two sticks.
Agreed. All we need to do that is to have runoff election style voting. It will take care of itself naturally from there.
And who's going to abolish the two party system? King George?
More thoughtless emotion babble.
No.
Recalls need to be looked at very seriously. If you think our political system is ed up now, wait until recalls start getting used like they are second nature.
Exactly. Imagine the recall being used like the threat of a filibuster is used in the senate.
Thank you for your ideas on how to improve voter turnout.
It's funny how the media keeps putting these recalls at the foot of the "gun lobby", claiming it was all the money the NRA donated that caused these recalls, yet they leave out that the anti-gun group out spent them 7:1.
This was a grassroots uprising that I personally followed from it's beginning on another forum. Pretty impressive if you ask me.
gun fellators came out in great intensity and numbers than b/g check supporters. the confusion around the voting conditions didn't help
so NRA and gun fellators are against all b/g checks, cool. They're all soft on crime, enabling criminals to get unlimited guns. more guns = more gun violence and crime
Voting opened on 8/20 if I'm not mistaken, allowing plenty of time to find a polling station. 20% of Democrats that cast a vote were in favor of the recall as well. The anti-gunners contributed millions and still couldn't supress the people. Next time maybe they will listen to their cons uents they claim to represent.
This has been proven false time and time again.
Times are changing
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...y-permits.html
CHICAGO — Chicago reluctantly abolished a 45-year-old requirement that gun owners register their weapons with the city, marking a victory for advocates of gun rights such as the National Rifle Association.
The city council voted yesterday to end the gun registry, in place since 1968, to comply with court rulings against Chicago and Illinois gun-control laws, and to bring the city into line with a state concealed-carry law.
“I happen to think the court’s wrong. I think their interpretation is wrong,” Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel said of the rulings that forced Chicago to eliminate the registry. He spoke after the council voted.
Chicago has faced a wave of gang-related violence that pushed its murder rate to a five-year high in 2012. While the number of homicides is down this year, police have complained that the city is awash in guns.
The Chicago decision came a day after the gun-rights lobby scored a victory in Colorado, ousting two lawmakers who had supported gun control in the state legislature.
The powerful NRA, which boasts millions of gun owners as members, has successfully employed tactics, such as recalls and challenges to gun-control laws in court, as a way to get strict enforcement of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Cons ution, which sets out the right to bear arms.
“We’re glad the Chicago firearm registration is gone,” said Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association, the local affiliate of the NRA.
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2010, in a case challenging Chicago’s gun restrictions, that every state and city must adhere to the Second Amendment. The ruling did not strike down the Chicago restrictions directly, but instead sent the case back to a federal appeals court for review.
In December 2012, the appeals court ruled that Illinois’ ban on concealed carry was uncons utional and gave the state six months to create a law allowing guns to be carried in public.
Illinois approved a concealed-carry law in July, giving control of gun regulations to the state and essentially nullifying Chicago’s power to require that gun owners register their weapons and obtain a city firearms permit.
My non-existent idea for improving voter turnout added as much value as your emotional untenable nonsense.
false
more guns = more gun crime, deaths, suicides, violence, etc, etc.
That is an even better idea.
I await proof.
They were both in my area I live in. Col Springs and Pueblo. This was all about gun rights. Both groups poured in huge amounts of money with pro-gun people outspending. The pro-gun groups kept playing commercials about how if the recall went through then girls who had miscarriages would be imprisoned.wouldn't even stand on their vote.
But this is a conservative area. Both districts are in cities who voted to outlaw weed, after the state said cities would have to ability to decide if it should be legal or not.
accidental deaths of kids, spouses, friends, hunters, all of whom would be alive without guns
huge percentage of suicides are by gun, It' So EEEZEE (and reliable)
etc, etc, etc.
More people die drowning in bathtubs each year that accidental killed by a gun. Next.
I really don't care how a pussy offs himself. Next.huge percentage of suicides are by gun, It' So EEEZEE (and reliable)
Here is what you originally said, which said nothing about accidents/suicides. Still awaiting proof.
You could not be more wrong.
Today, every legislator in the state was delivered a questionnaire. The wording was as follows:
"In an effort to understand where State legislators stand on Colorado’s new gun laws, we are writing to ask your position on key issues. As you are likely aware, we recently succeeded in the first successful recall of not one, but two, State officials in Colorado history.
As we consider our next endeavors, we wish to know where every legislator stands on a repeal of Colorado’s unlawful new gun restrictions.
Please take a moment to answer this simple, 2-question survey:
Will you vote for a repeal of Colorado’s new gun laws if given the opportunity in the 2014 legislative session? ___ YES or ___ NO
Would you support a Ballot Initiative that would repeal Colorado’s gun laws? ___ YES or ___ NO"
Here is the Press Release that was published today:
Colorado --- Signaling what their next battle may be, the founders of the Basic Freedom Defense Fund and Pueblo Freedom & Rights today issued a joint letter to all State legislators.
In the letter, they ask State legislators to answer two basic questions: Will you vote for a repeal of Colorado’s uncons utional new gun laws in the 2014 legislative session? And Would you support a ballot initiative which would repeal the new gun laws?
The two groups were responsible for the first successful recalls of State officials in Colorado history – the recalls of State Senate President John Morse and State Senator Angela Giron. There has been much speculation about where the two groups will set their sights now.
"While we consider Tuesday’s election a significant victory, we realize that these egregious gun laws remain and we want to know where each and every Colorado State legislator stands on them,” said Jennifer Kerns, Spokeswoman for the recall effort. "It is a new day in Colorado and cons uents expect their legislators to represent the will of the people. No one is immune from the reach of the grassroots efforts which powered these two recall elections.”
A similar letter is also being sent to all candidates who are running for office in 2014, including statehouse, state senate, Governor, and more. The Basic Freedom Defense Fund and Pueblo Freedom & Rights will publish the results of the survey on October 1.
http://www.basicfreedomdefensefund.org/
So the laws are still in place. Got it.
It's re s like this pushing gun control.
http://twitchy.com/2013/09/18/gun-gr...herself-again/
After last week’s historic Colorado recall, it’s no surprise to see the two recalled former state Senators trotted out to castigate Second Amendment defenders on liberal talk shows. On MSNBC’s “All In with Chris Hayes” last night, Angela Giron (last seen blaming her recall on “voter suppression”) blithely displayed the abject ignorance of those on the Left who salivate at the thought of restricting Americans’ rights to self-defense without knowing anything about the issue.
Here she is claiming that “you couldn’t have any more armed people than” were at the Navy Yard during Monday’s shooting.
Transcript:
[The NRA] is no longer a gun owner’s organization. It’s a manufacturer’s organization. And that’s how they’re benefiting. If you look at their board members, they’re all manufacturers; they’re all making money. And I think that the more we can inform people and inform NRA members about what’s really going on here. It’s just follow the money. And people are dying because of greed and their continuing to convince people that more guns equals safety. And in this case in particular, we can look at, it was a Navy Yard. You couldn’t have any more armed people than in that case right there. We know that that’s not the case; the data doesn’t show that. And so we just have to continue to be out there. [Emphasis added.]
Of course, the Navy Yard, like all military installations, has strict regulations against non-security gun possession:
Excepting military police and troops shooting under supervision at practice ranges, no person (regardless of rank) is today allowed to carry any weapon (including standard service pistols) onto any US military base or to keep any weapon, even stored securely, in his office or personal quarters.
But that’s not all. Giron, who championed universal background checks in Colorado, also claimed that shooting suspect Aaron Alexis probably wouldn’t have been able to pass a background check had he tried to purchase a gun:
Transcript:
Well in fact we know that in this particular case that this man who went and gunned down people would probably not have passed a background check had he went to purchase some firearms. So I mean what we’ve said all along is, well there is no perfect law, but certainly universal background checks, which 90 percent of Americans agree to and believe in, as well as 60 some percent of NRA members, and limiting capacity to 15 that is so reasonable…
As was widely reported and tweeted Monday evening, Aaron Alexis bought his shotgun legally. By early yesterday afternoon (hours before Giron’s segment aired), various news outlets had reported that Alexis bought the firearm at Sharpshooters Small Arms Range in Lorton, Va., two days before the shooting. An attorney for the store told the media that “the store ran a federal background check on Alexis and it was approved.”
More than two, actually. In addition to the background check performed by Sharpshooters Small Arms Range, Alexis also had to pass background checks in order to obtain a security clearance and a concealed-carry permit.
Clearly, universal background checks wouldn’t have made any difference in Alexis’ case.
It’s not the first time. Tucson, Ariz., shooter Jared Lee Loughner, Virginia Tech gunman Seung-Hui Cho, and Aurora, Colo., shooter James Holmes all passed background checks, despite having been previously diagnosed with mental health problems.
Of course, neither Chris Hayes nor Giron’s fellow recallee John Morse did anything to keep Giron from derping into complete stupidity. Luckily for Giron, the segment aired on MSNBC, so hardly anyone actually saw her idiocy.
Burn.
gun grabbers won't listen because they don't want to listen. We're going to have to end up fighting them physically eventually.
So God is punishing Colorado for the recall now.
there's no 2 ways about it. you try to take the guns ans we're going to fight. everything has already been said at this point, it's whatever ya'll wanna do.
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