Saudi Arabia Increasing Weapon Supply to Syrian "Rebels"

[ChumpDumper]

this is the only part he mentioned Arabs:



Chump

Right. So we talked about the Arabs, then he posted a video pertaining to Afghans.


Understand?

from the BBC:

The organisation grew out of the network of Arab volunteers who had gone to Afghanistan in the 1980s to fight under the banner of Islam against Soviet Communism.

During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1670089.stm


Chimp

"some analysts"

Which ones?

I can name several who say that's bull .

To date, there is no evidence pointing to American governmental assistance in the physical establishment of al-Qa’ida, whether financially, operationally, or logistically. Rather, according to the US State Department, Arab militants1 involved in the Soviet-Afghan War “functioned independently and had their own sources of funding.” 2 The cornerstone of the Central Intelligence Agency’s (CIA) involvement in the war was carried out by a decade-long, covert relationship with Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence Agency (ISI), and the Saudi General Intelligence Directorate (GID). 3 The covert relationship was initiated to assist the indigenous Afghan Mujahideen,not the Arab militants, in defeating the Soviets on what would be the last hot battlefield of the Cold War. When the Arab militants began creating al-Qa’ida in Pakistan, it was diminutive and disjointed. Further, the group was of little consequence to the larger actors in Afghanistan’s theatre of war. Additionally, the Arab militants were receiving vast amounts of capital from numerous foreign Arab Muslim sponsors. As such, there was no reason to suspect that the CIA would support, let alone benefit from, such an embryonic and disorganized group.

“It is often said that bin Laden was funded by the CIA. This is not true and, indeed, would have been impossible given the structure of funding that General Zia ul-Haq, who had taken power in 1979, had set up.”

http://www.global-politics.co.uk/issue6/Stahl/

[cheguevara]

global-politics.co.uk



you believe those guys over BBC

[leemajors]

Che tires not of getting dumped.

[ChumpDumper]

global-politics.co.uk



you believe those guys over BBC

The article you failed to read is sourced and footnoted.

Just name the analysts to whom the BBC is referring.

One name.

[cheguevara]

The article you failed to read is sourced and footnoted.

Just name the analysts to whom the BBC is referring.

One name.

I'll give you a better one. Here's 2016 Democratic Nominee Hillary Clinton saying it

[cheguevara]

here's more:

Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. admits former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, whose Foreign Office portfolio included control of British Intelligence Agency MI-6 and the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), in a column published by the UK Guardian newspaper.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/j...y7.development

[ChumpDumper]

I'll give you a better one. Here's 2016 Democratic Nominee Hillary Clinton saying it

Again, talking about Afghans.

you really don't understand, do you?

[cheguevara]

Again, talking about Afghans.

you really don't understand, do you?

wait, so now you are saying US went to Afghanistan to fight the Afghans? not to find Bin Laden? LOL Chimp

[ChumpDumper]

here's more:

Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. admits former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, whose Foreign Office portfolio included control of British Intelligence Agency MI-6 and the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), in a column published by the UK Guardian newspaper.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/j...y7.development

Sorry, it literally means the base, not database

[ChumpDumper]

wait, so now you are saying US went to Afghanistan to fight the Afghans? not to find Bin Laden? LOL Chimp

You can't find Bin Laden without fighting the Afghans who harbored him.

You are really having great difficulty understanding the simplest concept.

[cheguevara]

You can't find Bin Laden without fighting the Afghans who harbored him.

You are really having great difficulty understanding the simplest concept.

what was the primary goal of the Afghan war Chimp?

[cheguevara]

Sorry, it literally means the base, not database

once again your limited knowledge of languages limits you

Qaa`idat can also mean "the database"

[pgardn]

sure they are. there is such thing as being indirectly responsible

you hand 3 billion to Bin Laden and his crew, provide them weapons and training and then wash your hands when 3500 of your citizens are killed by them? that is true insanity

i need you to look up the word, complicit.

The US is also indirectly responsible for the killing of US border patrols as well as DEA agents because guns have been sold to various Mexican Governmental agencies that employ corrupt individuals. This is NOT the same as the US government being complicit in the killing of its own people.

And directly above this post I see you correcting another poster concerning language...

[cheguevara]

i need you to look up the word, complicit.

The US is also indirectly responsible for the killing of US border patrols as well as DEA agents because guns have been sold to various Mexican Governmental agencies that employ corrupt individuals. This is NOT the same as the US government being complicit in the killing of its own people.

And directly above this post I see you correcting another poster concerning language...

Sorry but disagree. CIA knew all along the people they were training were a network jihadists and terrorists. It's not like the CIA was training an organization that complied with NATO, UN or any other international standard. They knew damn well they were training terrorists and jihadists. That sole reason alone puts them as accomplices to whatever future crime they would commit.

your analogy would be valid if Al Qaeda had posed as a legit organization who was abiding by international laws. They never did.

I have a better analogy for you. Let's say a known bank robber asks to borrow your gun and you give it to him. Now keep in mind this is a proven convicted bank robber. Next day he kills a clerk. Are you an accomplice? yes, most court of laws in the nation would say so.

[m>s]

when i was in syria a nearby unit got hit with that , you can believe those bas s are getting sarin from the saudis. when you know you're beat you cease to keep it honest.

[pgardn]

We did not HELP al q plan 9/11
We did not give arms knowing they would be used in 9/11.
We did not sell them planes.
I could go on and on.

We were not complicit in 9/11.
There are freaks that say we knew what was going on and sanctioned it.
There are freaks that say WE planned it.
Are you aware of this, and do you believe we did what I posted above?

[pgardn]

Sorry but disagree. CIA knew all along the people they were training were a network jihadists and terrorists. It's not like the CIA was training an organization that complied with NATO, UN or any other international standard. They knew damn well they were training terrorists and jihadists. That sole reason alone puts them as accomplices to whatever future crime they would commit.

your analogy would be valid if Al Qaeda had posed as a legit organization who was abiding by international laws. They never did.

I have a better analogy for you. Let's say a known bank robber asks to borrow your gun and you give it to him. Now keep in mind this is a proven convicted bank robber. Next day he kills a clerk. Are you an accomplice? yes, most court of laws in the nation would say so.

An accomplise actively participates in a crime and therefore knows a crime is planned even though he is not involved in committing the crime.

You think this describes the US role in 9/11?
If so please describe the US role in 9/11.

[ChumpDumper]

what was the primary goal of the Afghan war Chimp?

Whom did the coalition soldiers fight?

once again your limited knowledge of languages limits you

Qaa`idat can also mean "the database"

Why would a terrorist organization call itself "the database"?

They're going to kill all the infidels with Microsoft Access?

[ChumpDumper]

The name "al Qaeda" was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al Qaeda [meaning "the base" in English]. And the name stayed.

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/as...en.transcript/

lol

[whitemamba]

Right. So we talked about the Arabs, then he posted a video pertaining to Afghans.


Understand?


"some analysts"

Which ones?

I can name several who say that's bull .

To date, there is no evidence pointing to American governmental assistance in the physical establishment of al-Qa’ida, whether financially, operationally, or logistically. Rather, according to the US State Department, Arab militants1 involved in the Soviet-Afghan War “functioned independently and had their own sources of funding.” 2 The cornerstone of the Central Intelligence Agency’s (CIA) involvement in the war was carried out by a decade-long, covert relationship with Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence Agency (ISI), and the Saudi General Intelligence Directorate (GID). 3 The covert relationship was initiated to assist the indigenous Afghan Mujahideen,not the Arab militants, in defeating the Soviets on what would be the last hot battlefield of the Cold War. When the Arab militants began creating al-Qa’ida in Pakistan, it was diminutive and disjointed. Further, the group was of little consequence to the larger actors in Afghanistan’s theatre of war. Additionally, the Arab militants were receiving vast amounts of capital from numerous foreign Arab Muslim sponsors. As such, there was no reason to suspect that the CIA would support, let alone benefit from, such an embryonic and disorganized group.

“It is often said that bin Laden was funded by the CIA. This is not true and, indeed, would have been impossible given the structure of funding that General Zia ul-Haq, who had taken power in 1979, had set up.”

http://www.global-politics.co.uk/issue6/Stahl/

what you fail to understand that its not the race.. its the religion. Al Qaeda has no one certain race. No way you can be that stupid.

[whitemamba]

lol Al Qaeda - the phantom enemy.. put a picture of someone online and say hes a terrorist, then get killed without trial. Or even better, invade countries.

[lefty]

Bin Laden and Zawahiri.Trained them in what? The regular combat stuff was taught in camps organized by Bin Laden himself. The flight training was done in the US at private flight schools.They were funded by Bin Laden and other Arabs from whom he raised funds. The CIA didn't give the Arab mujahideen any money. They didn't need it and wouldn't have wanted it. I'm saying you don't know what you're talking about.Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was responsible for the actual plan.

You don't seem to know much about Al Qaeda.

[ChumpDumper]

what you fail to understand that its not the race.. its the religion. Al Qaeda has no one certain race. No way you can be that stupid.

Did you actually read anything I posted?

It explains everything quite clearly. If you still find yourself too stupid to understand it, I can try to dumb it down a little more for you.

Try reading it slower. Call your uncle for help.

[whitemamba]

Did you actually read anything I posted?

It explains everything quite clearly. If you still find yourself too stupid to understand it, I can try to dumb it down a little more for you.

Try reading it slower. Call your uncle for help.

lol not really no, i do remember you when i see a bill o'reilly video though.

[ChumpDumper]

lol not really no, i do remember you when i see a bill o'reilly video though.

So you didn't read it?

I don't understand how you think being willfully ignorant will somehow work in your favor.